Re: [Mactel-linux-users] power/fan noise poll

2007-04-03 Thread Sheer El-Showk
As a follow up to some of the earlier discussion here I tested (more qualitatively than quantitatively) the bahaviour of the fans under OS X by looking at the output of smcFanControl and Tempearture Monitor (the latter displays the output of 11 temperature sensors as opposed to the 6 exposed in Li

Re: [Mactel-linux-users] power/fan noise poll

2007-03-30 Thread Ludovic Rousseau
Hello, On 29/03/07, Sheer El-Showk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I should note that the data in the plot in my previous plot was taken > when I was running Beryl/Xgl and doing a lot of stuff. It might be > good to compare an idle system in text mode, and idle system using > fglrx, an idle system u

Re: [Mactel-linux-users] power/fan noise poll

2007-03-30 Thread Sven Anders
Sheer El-Showk schrieb: > Hi All, > > First ATI just released new drivers (8.35.5). Anyone have the energy > to check whether they support powerplay on C2D MBPs (it only supports > 2.6.20 on fedora but next month's release should support it in general > - of course by then I'll have moved to 2.6.

Re: [Mactel-linux-users] power/fan noise poll

2007-03-29 Thread Sheer El-Showk
It would be nice to have the OS X data for temperature vs fan speed to compare. Nicolas I've looked over the apple SMC code to try and figure out which temperature monitor is which but all I can see is that you read them out by some keys: "TB0T", "TC0D", "TC0P", "Th0H", "Ts0P", "Th1H", "Ts1P", NU

Re: [Mactel-linux-users] power/fan noise poll

2007-03-29 Thread Sheer El-Showk
I've attached a simple bash script (and a gif of some plots) for all your enjoyment. You can just run it as follows: mkdir power_data poll_temp.sh first_run This creates a directory power_data/first_run and in that directory puts a bunch of files with temperatures, fan speeds and load as report

Re: [Mactel-linux-users] power/fan noise poll

2007-03-29 Thread Sven Anders
Sheer El-Showk schrieb: > I wrote my last email before seeing this response of yours. Perhaps > this result of yours verifies Marios hypothesis that OS X configures > the SMC at boot time and then just leaves it that way. When you say > booted OS X and then returned to Linux did you mean started

Re: [Mactel-linux-users] power/fan noise poll

2007-03-29 Thread Kai Weber
* Nicolas Boichat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I'm not saying there is no black magic in SMC, after all, why not. But, > for now, I don't really think we need that to explain the difference in > behaviour between OS X and Linux. I run Bresink Hardwaremonitor for some hours now. What I see so far: CPU a

Re: [Mactel-linux-users] power/fan noise poll

2007-03-29 Thread Nicolas Boichat
Sheer El-Showk wrote: > I wrote my last email before seeing this response of yours. Perhaps > this result of yours verifies Marios hypothesis that OS X configures > the SMC at boot time and then just leaves it that way. When you say > booted OS X and then returned to Linux did you mean started OS

Re: [Mactel-linux-users] power/fan noise poll

2007-03-29 Thread Sheer El-Showk
I wrote my last email before seeing this response of yours. Perhaps this result of yours verifies Marios hypothesis that OS X configures the SMC at boot time and then just leaves it that way. When you say booted OS X and then returned to Linux did you mean started OS X and then rebooted into linu

Re: [Mactel-linux-users] power/fan noise poll

2007-03-29 Thread Sheer El-Showk
Nicolas, sorry if I misquoted you ... I was just trying to convey my understanding of what you said. I'm in OS X now with my GPU heatsink at 51 C and my GPU at 48 C and both fans hovering at 2000 rpms so its curious that Sven's rev up at this temperature. To get my fans to start in OS X I really

Re: [Mactel-linux-users] power/fan noise poll

2007-03-29 Thread Nicolas Boichat
Hello, Mario Oschwald wrote: > Nicolas Boichat wrote: >> >> I did some debugging of the OS X kernel a while ago, and the only >> sensors OS X is polling is the light sensors, to adjust the keyboard >> backlight. >> >> Actually, if you look at the assembly code of the AppleSMC modules in OS >> X, t

Re: [Mactel-linux-users] power/fan noise poll

2007-03-29 Thread Nicolas Boichat
Hello, Sven Anders wrote: > Nicolas Boichat schrieb: >> Sheer El-Showk wrote: >>> Yes, this is quite reminicent of my experience with the fans. I >>> thought it might be lag on stuff that I did earlier but I'm not sure. >>> Nicolas has suggested that the SMC uses additional temperature >>> monito

Re: [Mactel-linux-users] power/fan noise poll

2007-03-29 Thread Sven Anders
Sheer El-Showk schrieb: > Yes, this is quite reminicent of my experience with the fans. I > thought it might be lag on stuff that I did earlier but I'm not sure. > Nicolas has suggested that the SMC uses additional temperature > monitors that are not exposed by the applesmc module. Perhaps the >

Re: [Mactel-linux-users] power/fan noise poll

2007-03-29 Thread Mario Oschwald
Nicolas Boichat wrote: > > I did some debugging of the OS X kernel a while ago, and the only > sensors OS X is polling is the light sensors, to adjust the keyboard > backlight. > > Actually, if you look at the assembly code of the AppleSMC modules in OS > X, there is no single reference to the fa

Re: [Mactel-linux-users] power/fan noise poll

2007-03-29 Thread Sven Anders
Nicolas Boichat schrieb: > Sheer El-Showk wrote: >> Yes, this is quite reminicent of my experience with the fans. I >> thought it might be lag on stuff that I did earlier but I'm not sure. >> Nicolas has suggested that the SMC uses additional temperature >> monitors that are not exposed by the app

Re: [Mactel-linux-users] power/fan noise poll

2007-03-29 Thread Nicolas Boichat
Sheer El-Showk wrote: > Yes, this is quite reminicent of my experience with the fans. I > thought it might be lag on stuff that I did earlier but I'm not sure. > Nicolas has suggested that the SMC uses additional temperature > monitors that are not exposed by the applesmc module. Not what I said

Re: [Mactel-linux-users] power/fan noise poll

2007-03-29 Thread Sheer El-Showk
Yes, this is quite reminicent of my experience with the fans. I thought it might be lag on stuff that I did earlier but I'm not sure. Nicolas has suggested that the SMC uses additional temperature monitors that are not exposed by the applesmc module. Perhaps the machine is just somehow heating up

Re: [Mactel-linux-users] power/fan noise poll

2007-03-29 Thread Sven Anders
Sheer El-Showk schrieb: > Hi Sven, > > Thanks for the detailed info. Its good to hear that someone with a > C2D has a quiet machine. Could you also post your kernel config? I > don't have most of those modules loaded but I'm using someone elses > kernel config that they posted and I'm guessing

Re: [Mactel-linux-users] power/fan noise poll

2007-03-29 Thread Sheer El-Showk
Hi Sven, Thanks for the detailed info. Its good to hear that someone with a C2D has a quiet machine. Could you also post your kernel config? I don't have most of those modules loaded but I'm using someone elses kernel config that they posted and I'm guessing most of those modules are aleady com

Re: [Mactel-linux-users] power/fan noise poll

2007-03-29 Thread Sven Anders
> So the question/poll is for those core duo MBP owners (but C2D owners > should also share their experiences). Does your fan become active a > lot (3k+ rpms and noisy)? Have you tried using power play and does it > help? Has anyone actually seen improved battery life or power usage > when using

Re: [Mactel-linux-users] power/fan noise poll

2007-03-28 Thread Jonas Petersson
Sheer El-Showk wrote: > [... fans ...] > So the question/poll is for those core duo MBP owners (but C2D owners > should also share their experiences). I'm on a MBP C2D. > Does your fan become active a lot (3k+ rpms and noisy)? Yes. As you've mentioned there is no obvious correlation with load

[Mactel-linux-users] power/fan noise poll

2007-03-28 Thread Sheer El-Showk
Hi All, First ATI just released new drivers (8.35.5). Anyone have the energy to check whether they support powerplay on C2D MBPs (it only supports 2.6.20 on fedora but next month's release should support it in general - of course by then I'll have moved to 2.6.21 for dynticks)? Here are some int