Hi Brad and All, I’d like to suggest that we all be aware of our tones a bit in these types of conversations.
First off, when someone posts here with an issue that clearly is problematic for them or is not a situation that they want to be engaged in, telling them that they brought it on themselves is absolutely not an appropriate response here. Just for reference, I also have restored every machine I have from Time Machine backups for over a decade now. Say what you wish, but there is absolutely no way I am going to spend the time it would take to rebuild my system every time I want to set up a new machine. That’s simply not going to happen unless there is absolutely no other option. Donna obviously did nothing wrong here. Time Machine is meant to do this very thing. Now, perhaps setting up a system from scratch may be cleaner in some respects, but when one uses the tools available exactly as they are supposed to be used then it is completely reasonable to expect the process to work as it should. Obviously there is something that is not working as it should here. So if any of us has a positive suggestion of help, that’s great. Share that! If not, let’s not criticize someone’s approach. Thanks so much and please have a great day! Cheers! Cara > On May 6, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Brad Snyder <wb...@swbell.net> wrote: > > When restoring from a Time machine backup, you not only restore files, > folders and other data you would like to keep, but you end up restoring all > kinds of trash and clutter that has accumulated over time on the old system. > This is why I prefer not using a Time Machine backup on a new Mac, using this > as an opportunity to make a clean start on the new machine. > You of course are free to make your own choice on how to setup a new Mac, and > you are welcome to transfer all the problematic garbage from the old Mac to > the new Mac if you wish. > > - Brad - > > > On May 6, 2021, at 11:19, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net > <mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote: > > Brad, > The problem with starting from scratch is that in theory it goes against the > basic nature of having a mac. > You can, as illustrated by others, carry forward your history, files, > folders, and other content to your new machine, its part of why time machine > is so valuable. > therefore starting from scratch makes little sense from that standpoint. > Otherwise you end up having several computers. > Just my thoughts, > Karen > > > > On Wed, 5 May 2021, Brad Snyder wrote: > >> Donna, >> Yes, I read Kliph’s comments, and I know he has done a number of new M1 >> setups using Time Machine backups. >> I still feel starting from scratch is the best approach, but I agree there >> is something going on with this machine that should not be happening. >> Since you are within your 14 day return window, I agree that taking the >> machine back may be the best thing to do. >> >> - Brad - >> >> >> On May 5, 2021, at 20:45, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >> wrote: >> >> Brad, >> >> Maybe. But note Kliph's post that he has installed two machines from time >> machine backups. Also note my earlier comment that the Apple tech guy did >> not believe my troubles are the result of the time machine backup. >> Personally, I don't know. I'm not convinced that you are right, but I am >> also not certain that you are wrong. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >> >>> On May 5, 2021, at 8:37 PM, Brad Snyder <wb...@swbell.net >>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net >>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>>> wrote: >>> >>> That’s your choice. >>> I think you brought your troubles on yourself by doing that Time Machine >>> backup. >>> Always better to start fresh with a new machine. >>> >>> - Brad - >>> >>> >>> On May 5, 2021, at 15:45, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>> wrote: >>> >>> Sorry, Brad, but after this, I'm done!!!!! I've worked way too hard to make >>> this computer work. >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> >>>> On May 5, 2021, at 3:31 PM, Brad Snyder <wb...@swbell.net >>>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net >>>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I know several VoiceOver users who have new MacBook Airs with the M1 >>>> processor, and none of them have experienced the issues you report. >>>> I think your issue stems from doing the Time Machine backup from your old >>>> Mac to the new M1 Mac. >>>> I don’t necessarily think the macOS update will make any difference, but >>>> it can’t hurt either. >>>> I suggest wiping the Mac, and starting over as a completely new Mac. Then >>>> transfer your old data to the new Mac manually. >>>> I think you will have a lot less trouble doing this. >>>> >>>> - Brad - >>>> >>>> >>>> On May 5, 2021, at 13:59, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Recently there has been a discussion about the new MBA, so I thought I >>>> would share my experience. >>>> >>>> I unboxed my MBA yesterday afternoon, and it's been nothin but a headache >>>> since. When I booted it for the first time, all seemed fine. But after I >>>> migrated my data using a time machine backup, VO went silent. >>>> >>>> Yesterday afternoon I called Apple Accessibility, and spent a half hour on >>>> hold, then another half hour on the phone with some idiot who spent the >>>> call directing me to position the camera on my phone with one hand so she >>>> could see the screen, while she directed the finger on my other hand to >>>> select and activate items on the trackpad. to say the least, the >>>> experience was unpleasant and frustrating, and I finally just gave up and >>>> hung up. My husband and I spent most of last night trying to troubleshoot >>>> the problem, as I could do nothing without sighted assistance. We were >>>> not successful. >>>> >>>> This morning I called Apple to request a replacement. I spent another >>>> half hour on the phone with a very nice support person, at the end of >>>> which, he directed me to take my computer to the local authorized Apple >>>> Service dealer. My husband and I both just took two hours off work to do >>>> that. I just got back from there. They weren't able to fix it either. >>>> He said that it looks like VO is unable to select a voice, and has >>>> recommended that I install the latest Big Sur update. I'm downloading it >>>> now. If that doesn't work, I'm going to demand a return, and go back to >>>> using my 2017 MacBook Pro, which works just fine. >>>> >>>> So, that's my experience with the new MBA, FWIW. >>>> Best, >>>> Donna >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>> Visionaries list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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