Re: vo randomly restarts in safari

2012-11-26 Thread Chris Blouch
Yup. That has been an ongoing fight for years going back to the Web Standard Project and Jeffry Zeldman. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Standards_Project http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Zeldman I use the canary and future proofing arguments with developers all the time to try and convin

Re: vo randomly restarts in safari

2012-11-26 Thread James Mannion
You make some good points that I can't disagree with. If we could just have developed standards and have them used, that would take us down the best route I think. On 11/26/12, Chris Blouch wrote: > There are a couple difficulties with the secret repair approach: > > 1. It enables developers to c

Re: vo randomly restarts in safari

2012-11-26 Thread Chris Blouch
There are a couple difficulties with the secret repair approach: 1. It enables developers to continue with bad habits which they will apply to more and more pages over time. At some point they need to learn to stop doing bad things. Often time the bad behavior also conflicts with web standards

Re: vo randomly restarts in safari

2012-11-24 Thread James Mannion
I would say if the screen reader can "fix" bad code and make it work the way it should have, please do it! There are more than plenty of instances where you will never get the developer to fix it or even begin to care. If you do then there are advantages to that, but who knows how many weeks, month

Re: vo randomly restarts in safari

2012-11-24 Thread Jürgen Fleger
Got it. That's really interesting. I like this way of philosophie. But on the other hand for a "simple" user the most important seems to be that the screen reader just works. The "average" user is probably not interested in technical back ground stuff but in just working with a web side as easil

Re: vo randomly restarts in safari

2012-11-23 Thread Chris Blouch
One problem with Jaws is that it will attempt to 'repair' bad HTML under the hood. For testing this masks errors in a site from developers such that Jaws might work ok but other screen readers are not as tolerant of bad code in a particular setup. VoiceOver on Mac and NVDA on Windows do not att

Re: vo randomly restarts in safari

2012-11-22 Thread Jürgen Fleger
That happens here as well. Apple probably will tell you that it depends how the side is built. I recently discribed to them the issue that VO quite often doesn't interact with a web page despite the fact that it's checked in the Am 20.11.2012 um 18:53 schrieb Alex Hall : > Hi all, > Every so o

Re: vo randomly restarts in safari

2012-11-22 Thread Jürgen Fleger
That happens here as well. Apple probably will tell you that it depends how the side is built. I recently discribed to them the issue that VO quite often doesn't interact with a web page, despite the fact that it's checked in the the VO settings. They told me it depends on the web side not on V

vo randomly restarts in safari

2012-11-20 Thread Alex Hall
Hi all, Every so often, when I load or reload a page, vo will restart. I will hear "Voiceover on" after several seconds of intense activity from the hard drive, and things will proceed normally from there. Why would vo be crashing, and are there logs I could use to pinpoint the problem or at lea