Re: [maemo-developers] important message for maemo.org wiki users

2007-02-15 Thread Quim Gil
There is this still too abstract idea of tagging doc pages with status i.e. "unreviewed draft", "official doc", "works for me" etc. Those tags could be assigned either at an official level (to distinguish supported docs from those not officially supported) or at a community level (to distinguish go

Re: [maemo-developers] NX Client for Nokia 770/800

2007-02-15 Thread Tom Davidson
awesome, feasibility is proven! but, for a sustainable project is needs to be a port of a free client, everaldo used freenx not a NX Client right? AND it needs to be in a forge with the proper OSS license, then it needs to be packaged and placed in a repo for maemo right? -tom ___

RE: [maemo-developers] Problem with scratchbox, stopped working today

2007-02-15 Thread madhusudhan.nanjappa
I believe this one can be fixed by doing echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/vdso This should fix the problem.. Regards, Madhu Your kernel needs VDSO compat enabled. Cheers, Daniel ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.or

Re: [maemo-developers] State of Java on the maemo platform

2007-02-15 Thread Erik Hovland
On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 11:07:05PM +, Peter Robinson wrote: > This list would be the best and from the last I saw on the list there > still isn't any working java. From the last I saw javame r2 oss should > compile on arm but I'm yet too see anyone try. > > I doubt with the 4+ variants of 'mob

Re: [maemo-developers] Wii-Remote

2007-02-15 Thread MoRpHeUz
Actually I have played around a bit with the wiimote on my laptop, but have not really made it into something real. It of course would be awesome to have this as an input device, it probably would make the most sense to have a daemon to feed a /dev/input/jsX device. Is uinput available on the N800

Re: [maemo-developers] State of Java on the maemo platform

2007-02-15 Thread Peter Robinson
This list would be the best and from the last I saw on the list there still isn't any working java. From the last I saw javame r2 oss should compile on arm but I'm yet too see anyone try. I doubt with the 4+ variants of 'mobile linux' that have sprung up in the last year or so (maemo, openmoko, f

Re: [maemo-developers] Problem with scratchbox, stopped working today

2007-02-15 Thread Daniel Stone
On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 12:29:49AM +0200, ext Karoliina Salminen wrote: > My computer rebooted during compilation today because the battery run out > and I originally thought that was the cause of the scratchbox breaking. So > I removed scratchbox and reinstalled it. But still it does not work and

Re: [maemo-developers] Wii-Remote

2007-02-15 Thread Simon Budig
MoRpHeUz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Did you try using wii-mote driver for linux ? I think that Andreas > want to know that... Actually I have played around a bit with the wiimote on my laptop, but have not really made it into something real. It of course would be awesome to have this as an inpu

Re: [maemo-developers] Wii-Remote

2007-02-15 Thread Collin R. Mulliner
> Please read what I wrote: "The N800 [...] does not allow connecting > without a passcode." The OK button gets greyed out when there are no just go a little deeper into the "device" and of course you can connect without passcode. hciconfig is your friend. > digits entered. Of course the Wiimot

Re: [maemo-developers] Wii-Remote

2007-02-15 Thread Simon Budig
Brian Waite ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Thursday 15 February 2007 15:35, Simon Budig wrote: > > Andreas Hubel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > has somebody already tried to connect a Wii-Remote with an Nokia 770 or > > > N800 via Bluetooth? > > > > Yep. The N800 discovers the Wiimote fine, howe

[maemo-developers] Problem with scratchbox, stopped working today

2007-02-15 Thread Karoliina Salminen
Hi, My computer rebooted during compilation today because the battery run out and I originally thought that was the cause of the scratchbox breaking. So I removed scratchbox and reinstalled it. But still it does not work and by digging maemo-developers it looks like somebody else has this same pro

[maemo-developers] Re: maemo-developers Digest, Vol 22, Issue 83

2007-02-15 Thread rick
your licence, phone Microsoft when you fail authentication, reboot and wait an hour while all the patches install. Andy -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/attachments/20070215/cdc461a3/attachment-0001.htm --

[maemo-developers] State of Java on the maemo platform

2007-02-15 Thread Henning Sprang
Hi, I tried to check the state of java on the maemo platform, because I want to develop software for the device for my personal use. All information I found was spreaded around the net, and finally I am not exactly clear about what the state is. I already searched quite a lot in this list and goog

Re: [maemo-developers] Multiple Choice Response Form (Re: How to learn DSP development for N800?)

2007-02-15 Thread Stefan Kost
Hi, I did't rest before I got an answer Hanno Zulla wrote: > Hi, > >> I want to learn how to add new codecs to Maemo. So: Yes, I want direct >> access to the DSP. >> >> Basically, I'm asking for what Frantisek just described in his message >> "Maemo roadmap, SDK improvements..." to this list: >>

Re: [maemo-developers] Wii-Remote

2007-02-15 Thread Brian Waite
On Thursday 15 February 2007 15:35, Simon Budig wrote: > Andreas Hubel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > has somebody already tried to connect a Wii-Remote with an Nokia 770 or > > N800 via Bluetooth? > > Yep. The N800 discovers the Wiimote fine, however, it does not allow > connecting without a passc

Re: [maemo-developers] Wii-Remote

2007-02-15 Thread MoRpHeUz
Simon, Did you try using wii-mote driver for linux ? I think that Andreas want to know that... Best regards, On 2/15/07, Simon Budig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Andreas Hubel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > has somebody already tried to connect a Wii-Remote with an Nokia 770 or > N800 via Bluet

Re: [maemo-developers] Wii-Remote

2007-02-15 Thread Simon Budig
Andreas Hubel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > has somebody already tried to connect a Wii-Remote with an Nokia 770 or > N800 via Bluetooth? Yep. The N800 discovers the Wiimote fine, however, it does not allow connecting without a passcode. Passcode "" did not work. This would probably need some h

Re: [maemo-developers] NX Client for Nokia 770/800

2007-02-15 Thread Adilson Oliveira
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Uwe Koch escreveu: > Hi again, > > it seems that someone has already realized a lot: > http://www.simios.org/blog/everaldo > > hope we can get the code. > > Uwe To reach this stage is not a real problem because is relatively easy to compile NX to a

Re: [maemo-developers] NX Client for Nokia 770/800

2007-02-15 Thread Uwe Koch
Hi again, it seems that someone has already realized a lot: http://www.simios.org/blog/everaldo hope we can get the code. Uwe __ _-_ \|).---'---`---. ||\._./ || / ,' `---' ___||_,--'

[maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-users] 'Locking down' software installation

2007-02-15 Thread Levi Bard
Yes, and I actually see this as a feature, since there is no "apt-get upgrade" functionality in the Application Manager. Users would get the newer vesion of cairo by accident, when they install or upgrade a non-hidden package that depends on cairo. Semi-related: how about an "Upgrade All" butto

[maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-users] 'Locking down' software installation

2007-02-15 Thread Marius Vollmer
"ext Levi Bard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Say you've just released an OS metapackage, maemo 3.1 sturgeon, and > then one the guys working on cairo makes a huge breakthrough in > speed and stability. You want users to be able to upgrade, but now > you have to release a new OS metapackage to do

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-users] 'Locking down' software installation

2007-02-15 Thread Levi Bard
My thought is that it might be worthwhile to have a constant warning written at the bottom of the "Check for Updates" dialog in the Application manager. A user should really backup before any update, but prompting with a dialog that frequently will only encourage users to ignore it. Major updates

[maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-users] 'Locking down' software installation

2007-02-15 Thread Levi Bard
In the future, we hope to be able to provide official updates to the operating system itself via packages, and we need to give the end-users the confidence that when they intend to install a Nokia provided operating system update, they actually get what they think they are getting. Great! It'll

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-users] 'Locking down' software installation

2007-02-15 Thread Andy Mulhearn
On 15 Feb 2007, at 16:39, Marius Vollmer wrote: "ext Andy Mulhearn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I suppose that depends on how reliable is the incremental flash process. If it's 100% then there should be no problems with what you suggest. That's one thing that we have to figure out. Non-tr

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-users] 'Locking down' software installation

2007-02-15 Thread Andy Mulhearn
On 15 Feb 2007, at 16:47, Paul Klapperich wrote: On 2/15/07, Marius Vollmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My only concern would be getting into a Windows XP-like situation > where you reinstall with XP SP1 becaude that's what came with your > system and then have to install SP2 and 100+ hotfixes

[maemo-developers] Wii-Remote

2007-02-15 Thread Andreas Hubel
Hi, has somebody already tried to connect a Wii-Remote with an Nokia 770 or N800 via Bluetooth? see http://www.wiili.org/index.php/Wiimote for more infos ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/ma

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-users] 'Locking down' software installation

2007-02-15 Thread Marius Vollmer
Carlos Guerreiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I grant you a brief peek into our internal software >> requirements... :-) >> >> 22.3.1.3: The Application manager shall suggest a backup to be taken >>before a system update is installed. >> >> Rebooting and checking for enough free fla

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-users] 'Locking down' software installation

2007-02-15 Thread Carlos Guerreiro
I grant you a brief peek into our internal software requirements... :-) 22.3.1.3: The Application manager shall suggest a backup to be taken before a system update is installed. Rebooting and checking for enough free flash will also be taken care of. Yeah, we should be doing this

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-users] 'Locking down' software installation

2007-02-15 Thread Marius Vollmer
"ext Paul Klapperich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > 22.3.1.3: The Application manager shall suggest a backup to be taken >before a system update is installed. > > Would this just be for major updates--perhaps those than cause a > change in the firmware revision number--or would

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-users] 'Locking down' software installation

2007-02-15 Thread Paul Klapperich
On 2/15/07, Marius Vollmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I grant you a brief peek into our internal software requirements... :-) 22.3.1.3: The Application manager shall suggest a backup to be taken before a system update is installed. Rebooting and checking for enough free flash will a

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-users] 'Locking down' software installation

2007-02-15 Thread Paul Klapperich
On 2/15/07, Marius Vollmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My only concern would be getting into a Windows XP-like situation > where you reinstall with XP SP1 becaude that's what came with your > system and then have to install SP2 and 100+ hotfixes to get back to > where you were. I have zero exp

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-users] 'Locking down' software installation

2007-02-15 Thread Marius Vollmer
"ext Eero Tamminen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > ext Andy Mulhearn wrote: > >> But if you can just apply a major firmware upgrade by accepting it >> in application manager and you don't think to backup first, what >> happens it goes wrong leaving you with an unworkable system? > > Good point, I t

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-users] 'Locking down' software installation

2007-02-15 Thread Marius Vollmer
"ext Andy Mulhearn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I suppose that depends on how reliable is the incremental flash > process. If it's 100% then there should be no problems with what you > suggest. That's one thing that we have to figure out. > My only concern would be getting into a Windows XP-li

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-users] 'Locking down' software installation

2007-02-15 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, ext Andy Mulhearn wrote: So are you looking to move away from the System Upgrade := reflash device model? If so, then GOOD! To be honest I prefer this route now, if only from the point of view that if I bork my device I can reflash an image and get it working again. I am not sure if there

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-users] 'Locking down' software installation

2007-02-15 Thread Andy Mulhearn
On Thursday, February 15, 2007, at 04:12PM, "Marius Vollmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >"ext Andy Mulhearn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>> So are you looking to move away from the System Upgrade := reflash >>> device model? If so, then GOOD! >> >> To be honest I prefer this route now, if on

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-users] 'Locking down' software installation

2007-02-15 Thread Marius Vollmer
"ext Andy Mulhearn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> So are you looking to move away from the System Upgrade := reflash >> device model? If so, then GOOD! > > To be honest I prefer this route now, if only from the point of view > that if I bork my device I can reflash an image and get it working >

[maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-users] 'Locking down' software installation

2007-02-15 Thread Marius Vollmer
"ext David Hagood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Might I suggest two meta packages - one locked down to "This version > only" and one specifying "this version or later." As Paul says, I think we can leave this second meta package out of the official releases. _

[maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-users] 'Locking down' software installation

2007-02-15 Thread Paul Klapperich
On 2/15/07, Marius Vollmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The set of trusted sources will be under control of a power-user: you can just add some GPG keys to the right place, but there is no UI to do it. You can also switch the whole lock-down machinery off by going to red-pill mode. So whaddaya t

Re: [maemo-developers] important message for maemo.org wiki users

2007-02-15 Thread Ferenc Szekely
On 2/15/07, Ian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, > We would like to encourage all of you to start using the new pages as soon as > the wiki import has been completed. However the current maemo wiki will be > available for some time, but we will do __no more__ automated page conversion. > We could b

Re: [maemo-developers] important message for maemo.org wiki users

2007-02-15 Thread Ian
Hi, > We would like to encourage all of you to start using the new pages as soon as > the wiki import has been completed. However the current maemo wiki will be > available for some time, but we will do __no more__ automated page conversion. > We could be radical and disable editing of the "old" pa

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-users] 'Locking down' software installation

2007-02-15 Thread Andy Mulhearn
On Thursday, February 15, 2007, at 01:09PM, "David Hagood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Marius Vollmer wrote: >> We would like to get your feedback on these plans, both from the >> end-user point of view and from the point of view of package >> developers. >> >> >Thank you for asking. That att

[maemo-developers] important message for maemo.org wiki users

2007-02-15 Thread Ferenc Szekely
Dear maemo.org wiki Editors and Readers, We are in the middle of converting the old documentation to our new Midgard Content Management System. As part of this activity we have created a tool that will import the existing wiki pages to Midgard's Markdown [1] syntax. The documents written by you wi

[maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-users] 'Locking down' software installation

2007-02-15 Thread David Hagood
Marius Vollmer wrote: We would like to get your feedback on these plans, both from the end-user point of view and from the point of view of package developers. Thank you for asking. That attitude is one of the reasons I like this platform. There is going to be a 'meta' package that represen

[maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-users] 'Locking down' software installation

2007-02-15 Thread Marius Vollmer
"ext Jonathan Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > As a user, I like how this sounds. I hope it also means that the > Application Manager and user experience will be largely free of > having to add repositories. That is a separate thing, but yes, locking down system package upgrades might make

[maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-users] 'Locking down' software installation

2007-02-15 Thread Jonathan Greene
As a user, I like how this sounds. I hope it also means that the Application Manager and user experience will be largely free of having to add repositories. This could make finding new applications easier and more complete than the current process which still requires some desire to explore and

[maemo-developers] Wlan

2007-02-15 Thread Michael Matalon
Hi all, I am trying to get something working. I have both a 770 and 800 and am trying to get the wlan to register power level correctly when I use aircrack. Right now all it only shows the power as -96. Is there a way to do this? Can the drivers be changed on either system? Thank you Michael

Re: [maemo-developers] hildon-libs0 >= 0.14.11 required for OS 2006

2007-02-15 Thread Holger Macht
On Thu 15. Feb - 13:12:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi, > > Look at your Debian packaging, debian/control, and if you see the usual > "Depends: {shlibs:Depends}" there, then you know that your Bora SDK > built package will almost certainly not install any IT-2006. Yes, that's it. > > However

RE: [maemo-developers] hildon-libs0 >= 0.14.11 required for OS 2006

2007-02-15 Thread Jakub.Pavelek
Hi, Look at your Debian packaging, debian/control, and if you see the usual "Depends: {shlibs:Depends}" there, then you know that your Bora SDK built package will almost certainly not install any IT-2006. However if you build your application for IT-2006 (e.g. with Mistral SDK) then there is rea

[maemo-developers] 'Locking down' software installation

2007-02-15 Thread Marius Vollmer
Hi, we are planning to put some features into the Application Manager that will make it more restrictive when handling the packages that make up the operating system itself (as opposed to third party applications). We would like to get your feedback on these plans, both from the end-user point of

[maemo-developers] Re: hildon-libs0 >= 0.14.11 required for OS 2006

2007-02-15 Thread Ross Burton
On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 11:22 +0100, Holger Macht wrote: > application mmpc [1] is my first debian package ever. I'm developing for > OS 2007. I hoped that the packages I uploaded would be compatible with OS > 2006, but now I get user reports that they are not. It is a dependency > issue: > > hild

[maemo-developers] hildon-libs0 >= 0.14.11 required for OS 2006

2007-02-15 Thread Holger Macht
Hi, application mmpc [1] is my first debian package ever. I'm developing for OS 2007. I hoped that the packages I uploaded would be compatible with OS 2006, but now I get user reports that they are not. It is a dependency issue: hildon-libs0 (>= 0.14.11-1) needed Maybe someone can give me a hi

[maemo-developers] Experimenting with VFP on N800

2007-02-15 Thread Kalle Vahlman
Hi all! Recently there has been lots of fuzz about using the different hardware acceleration options available on the N800 (DSP, FPU and the PowerVR chip) with various success levels. The PowerVR chip seems to be completely out-of-reach (barring a miracle), the DSP is used by selected amount of N

Re: [maemo-developers] FOSDEM 24-25Feb2007 Brussels

2007-02-15 Thread Carlos Guerreiro
ext Matthias Stürmer wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 14.02.2007, 22:37 +0100 schrieb Laurent GUERBY: Who's going to FOSDEM this year? I'll be going and participating in a panel discussion on company involvement in open source projects http://www.fosdem.org/2007/schedule/events/research_panels_

Re: [maemo-developers] Sample keyboard layout file

2007-02-15 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, ext Marius Gedminas wrote: http://770.fs-security.com/extra-layouts/kb-layout-sample.tar.gz Do you really need all that autoconf stuff that weights 400 kb to accompany a single .xml file that weighs 12 kb? Yes :) The included scripts are also meant as an example, it's not that easy to set