Hi,
In general I think that new apps should tend to get all ratings reseted
if they go back to extras-devel because of a blocker, while app updates
would keep their current positive ratings through new extras-testing
iterations. This way we are conservative with new apps but more liberal
with
Hi all,
Quim just confirmed the UX hackfest in Barcelona for 4, 5, 6 december:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33719
What is UX hackfest?
It's a three days meeting for Maemo developers, UX experts and people
who want to learn about designing good user interfaces.
When?
On 4, 5, 6
2009/11/3 Graham Cobb g+...@cobb.uk.net:
On Monday 02 November 2009 21:52:48 Jeremiah Foster wrote:
On Nov 2, 2009, at 10:27, Ed Bartosh wrote:
2009/11/2 Jeremiah Foster jerem...@jeremiahfoster.com:
On Nov 1, 2009, at 18:05, Ed Bartosh wrote:
Idea of having separate queue for Extras
2009/11/3 Graham Cobb g+...@cobb.uk.net:
On Monday 02 November 2009 12:16:57 Ed Bartosh wrote:
2009/11/2 Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com:
The buildbot would need to run apt-get install maemo-optify at the
right time. Any idea of how to do that?
Right way to do it is to include it
ext Graham Cobb g+...@cobb.uk.net writes:
On Monday 02 November 2009 12:16:57 Ed Bartosh wrote:
2009/11/2 Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com:
The buildbot would need to run apt-get install maemo-optify at the
right time. Any idea of how to do that?
Right way to do it is to include
ext Jeremiah Foster jerem...@jeremiahfoster.com writes:
To beat the horse dead;
foo_1.0-1maemo0 - bug fix - foo_1.0-1maemo1 = All karma retained
foo_1.0-1maemo0 - feature - foo_1.1-1maemo0 = Karma set to zero
Nitpick: 1.0 - 1.1 might well be a bug fix release as well.
2009/11/3 Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com:
ext Graham Cobb g+...@cobb.uk.net writes:
On Monday 02 November 2009 12:16:57 Ed Bartosh wrote:
2009/11/2 Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com:
The buildbot would need to run apt-get install maemo-optify at the
right time. Any idea of
ext Ed Bartosh bart...@gmail.com writes:
We can hack dpkg-checkbuilddeps to unconditionally add maemo-optify to
the list of build dependencies.
Ouch. That's very desperate.
What about changing dpkg-buildpackage to run apt-get install
maemo-optify if necessary? That concentrates the hacks in
2009/11/3 Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com:
ext Ed Bartosh bart...@gmail.com writes:
We can hack dpkg-checkbuilddeps to unconditionally add maemo-optify to
the list of build dependencies.
Ouch. That's very desperate.
May be. But not as desperate as calling apt-get install from
ext Ed Bartosh bart...@gmail.com writes:
2009/11/3 Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com:
ext Ed Bartosh bart...@gmail.com writes:
We can hack dpkg-checkbuilddeps to unconditionally add maemo-optify to
the list of build dependencies.
Ouch. That's very desperate.
May be. But not as
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 08:43, Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com wrote:
ext Jeremiah Foster jerem...@jeremiahfoster.com writes:
To beat the horse dead;
foo_1.0-1maemo0 - bug fix - foo_1.0-1maemo1 = All karma retained
foo_1.0-1maemo0 - feature - foo_1.1-1maemo0 = Karma set
2009/11/3 Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com:
ext Ed Bartosh bart...@gmail.com writes:
2009/11/3 Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com:
ext Ed Bartosh bart...@gmail.com writes:
We can hack dpkg-checkbuilddeps to unconditionally add maemo-optify to
the list of build dependencies.
On Nov 3, 2009, at 1:17, Attila Csipa wrote:
A bit short on time, so could not reply to many good posts, but
would not like
to drop out of the discussion...
This is a very important discussion I feel, you have raised some
important issues and there has been some insightful feedback from
On Nov 3, 2009, at 2:26, Attila Csipa wrote:
1) The fact that something builds in the pristine final SDK does not
guarantee
that it will go through the autobuilder (as extras-devel might
contain non-
backwards compatible updates to the SDK packages).
So the SDK and Extras-devel need to
On Nov 3, 2009, at 9:25, Ed Bartosh wrote:
You mention separate queue but which queue are you
referring to? Does the suggestion involve additional repositories?
And/or
does it involve differnet rules for which repositories will be in
scope
during a build? Or what.
As I understood
On Nov 3, 2009, at 12:16, Andrew Flegg wrote:
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 08:43, Marius Vollmer
marius.voll...@nokia.com wrote:
ext Jeremiah Foster jerem...@jeremiahfoster.com writes:
To beat the horse dead;
foo_1.0-1maemo0 - bug fix - foo_1.0-1maemo1 = All karma
retained
On Nov 3, 2009, at 12:16, Andrew Flegg wrote:
Agreed. -maemo0 to -maemo1 is supposed to be a Maemo-specific change
or a packaging change (AIUI). Native packages (such as Hermes,
Attitude etc.) don't have that suffix and use a traditional x.y.z
numbering scheme.
Not necessarily. There is
I'm still banging my head against a wall with this:
why without reparenting the popup undecorated window to the main app window
it becomes transparent but the app menu doesn't work (it starts to be drawn
but immediately disappears) and viceversa?
The final version of my function is this:
void
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 13:58, Henrik Hedberg
henrik.hedb...@innologies.fi wrote:
On Nov 3, 2009, at 12:16, Andrew Flegg wrote:
Agreed. -maemo0 to -maemo1 is supposed to be a Maemo-specific change
or a packaging change (AIUI). Native packages (such as Hermes,
Attitude etc.) don't have that
On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 15:06 +0100, ext Luca Donaggio wrote:
I'm still banging my head against a wall with this:
why without reparenting the popup undecorated window to the main app
window it becomes transparent but the app menu doesn't work (it starts
to be drawn but immediately disappears)
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org wrote:
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 13:58, Henrik Hedberg
henrik.hedb...@innologies.fi wrote:
On Nov 3, 2009, at 12:16, Andrew Flegg wrote:
Agreed. -maemo0 to -maemo1 is supposed to be a Maemo-specific change
or a packaging change
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 14:34, Frank Banul frank.ba...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org wrote:
Except how do you try to prevent abuse (whether intentional or
accidental)? At least with the version number you've got some safety
check (although it is
Hi,
there's another problem with the testing i am facing with gpxview: Nonsense
ratings.
GPXView got a thumbs down for needing lots of porting to match the maemo6 gui.
Yes, harmattan! Why the heck should a fremantle program not be forwarded to
extras due to the fact that it will be hard to port
Till,
I totally agree, it is not part of the testing regime itself and as long as
an app is technically capable it passes the test.
the checklist has been defined here:
http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/QA_Checklist
Maemo 5 offers stock icons covering most regular use cases, but developers
2009/11/3 Till Harbaum li...@harbaum.org:
Hi,
there's another problem with the testing i am facing with gpxview: Nonsense
ratings.
GPXView got a thumbs down for needing lots of porting to match the maemo6
gui.
Yes, harmattan! Why the heck should a fremantle program not be forwarded to
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Attila Csipa ma...@csipa.in.rs wrote:
I have a small issue with the autobuilder. The whole thing started out by
having a package that compiled nice in the SDK but not in the autobuilder due
to a versioning mismatch (in my case python-dbus, but it's a generic
Till Harbaum wrote:
there's another problem with the testing i am facing with gpxview: Nonsense
ratings.
GPXView got a thumbs down for needing lots of porting to match the maemo6
gui.
Yes, harmattan! Why the heck should a fremantle program not be forwarded to
extras due to the fact that
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Anderson Lizardo
anderson.liza...@openbossa.org wrote:
But the PyMaemo team is still responsible for providing upgrades and
fixes for these packages through the extras-devel/extras-testing
repositories, and the user applications that use packages like
Am Dienstag, den 03.11.2009, 15:59 +0100 schrieb Till Harbaum:
- Add a link to the bug tracker, so people can file appropriate bugs which
can then
be processed in a useful manner
Possible already - add a Bugtracker field to the control file if I
remember correctly. Also see
2009/11/3 Kimmo Hämäläinen kimmo.hamalai...@nokia.com
On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 15:06 +0100, ext Luca Donaggio wrote:
I'm still banging my head against a wall with this:
why without reparenting the popup undecorated window to the main app
window it becomes transparent but the app menu
Anderson Lizardo wrote:
But the PyMaemo team is still responsible for providing upgrades and
fixes for these packages through the extras-devel/extras-testing
repositories, and the user applications that use packages like
python-dbus, when promoted, will automatically promote the
2009/11/3 Till Harbaum li...@harbaum.org:
there's another problem with the testing i am facing with gpxview:
Nonsense ratings.
GPXView got a thumbs down for needing lots of porting to match the
maemo6 gui.
Yes, harmattan! Why the heck should a fremantle program not be
forwarded to
I am quite unhappy with the testing, too.
My package vncviewer has a blocking issue (Bugtracker field), which
should be marked on the package page!
http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/vncviewer/0.6.3-fremantle2
Not every developer is following the
Am Dienstag, den 03.11.2009, 17:05 +0100 schrieb ds:
An other problem are security issues: How do you think a tester could
find a security issue in such an application? It is totaly impossible,
if you do not have access to a prepared vnc server. Should we assume the
vnc server to be prepared?
On Tuesday 03 November 2009 16:30:26 you wrote:
I'm interested to know what problems you are having with python-dbus.
Can you please fill a bug report under
https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=PyMaemo ?
And last but not the least, the python-dbus version you are referring
(-1maemo3)
On Tuesday 03 November 2009 14:23:10 Jeremiah Foster wrote:
As I understood Attila he proposed to create separate autobulder
incoming queue for Extras updates.
Ah, a separate build queue.
If packages are uploaded to this queue they're built using only Extras
and SDK repos and put into
On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 15:59 +0100, Till Harbaum wrote:
there's another problem with the testing i am facing with gpxview:
Nonsense ratings.
GPXView got a thumbs down for needing lots of porting to match the
maemo6 gui.
Yes, harmattan! Why the heck should a fremantle program not be
forwarded
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Henrik Hedberg
henrik.hedb...@innologies.fi wrote:
Anderson Lizardo wrote:
But the PyMaemo team is still responsible for providing upgrades and
fixes for these packages through the extras-devel/extras-testing
repositories, and the user applications that use
On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 15:21 +, Gary Birkett wrote:
I totally agree, it is not part of the testing regime itself and as
long as
an app is technically capable it passes the test.
the checklist has been defined here:
http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/QA_Checklist
Assuming that you
2009/11/3 Murray Cumming murr...@murrayc.com:
I don't claim to know what the aims of the testing are. But I did see
this on the main testing page:
http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing#The_extras-testing_QA_queue_.26_you
Offering good quality community software to owners of Maemo devices is
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 16:56, Aniello Del Sorbo ani...@gmail.com wrote:
I missed this point while reading it.
And it convinced me to push to Extras Testing a new release of Xournal
no matter if it loses the 7 thumbs up it already got (plus the 3 it
got for a previous version)
I also think
On Nov 3, 2009, at 9:59 AM, Till Harbaum wrote:
snip/
I'd just like to interject that any new process like this is going to
have growing pains. You have two options to deal with the kinks that
inevitably appear in an untried process, help to smooth them out (See
the QA process = bug
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Attila Csipa ma...@csipa.in.rs wrote:
On Tuesday 03 November 2009 16:30:26 you wrote:
I'm interested to know what problems you are having with python-dbus.
Can you please fill a bug report under
https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=PyMaemo ?
And last
Hello!
Except how do you try to prevent abuse (whether intentional or
accidental)? At least with the version number you've got some safety
check (although it is in no way comprehensive). It also requires more
changes at more levels (I bet), so harder to implement.
I think it is time to
Foreword: My particular problem is not that big of an issue, in the end I went
for extras-devel compatibility, no big deal, it's not yet for end users
anyway. It's the generic approach that is at question here - tomorrow someone
else will fall through the same manhole and it might become a
Dammit, why won't modest do proper quoting...
Marius (I think) wrote...
ext Graham Cobb g+...@cobb.uk.net writes:
On Monday 02 November 2009 12:16:57 Ed Bartosh wrote:
2009/11/2 Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com:
The buildbot would need to run apt-get install maemo-optify at the
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Jeremiah Foster jerem...@jeremiahfoster.com
wrote:
snip
And despite various complaints, many are saying that the process will
in fact produce better software. So we are in the right area anyway.
here here.
teething troubles and getting used to a different
On Nov 3, 2009, at 20:36, Henrik Hedberg wrote:
Tim Teulings wrote:
Except how do you try to prevent abuse (whether intentional or
accidental)? At least with the version number you've got some safety
check (although it is in no way comprehensive). It also requires
more
changes at more
Tim Teulings wrote:
Except how do you try to prevent abuse (whether intentional or
accidental)? At least with the version number you've got some safety
check (although it is in no way comprehensive). It also requires more
changes at more levels (I bet), so harder to implement.
I think it
On Nov 3, 2009, at 19:25, Tim Teulings wrote:
P.S.: Don't trust my version numbers! Trust my checkbox choice!
That is totally fine with me. I thought a version number was less
intrusive, developers didn't have to do anything, just remember which
part of their version to change. But as
Jeremiah wrote:
On Nov 3, 2009, at 19:25, Tim Teulings wrote:
P.S.: Don't trust my version numbers! Trust my checkbox choice!
That is totally fine with me. I thought a version number was less
intrusive, developers didn't have to do anything, just remember which
part of their version to
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