Re: my two big fustrations with the N800 - please help me find aworkaround!

2007-07-20 Thread Ed Bartosh
On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 16:38 -0400, ext Mike Lococo wrote: You mention several repositories that don't belong to us [Nokia]. We don't respond of them. We can't and won't stop developers from creating their own repositories. Maybe someone can monitor intersting and widely used packages

Re: my two big fustrations with the N800 - please help me find aworkaround!

2007-07-20 Thread Luca Donaggio
2007/7/20, Tomas Junnonen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Integrate it with the garage project page! When creating a release and uploading files to the project, there should be a checkbox on the release page for automagically pushing the packages to the repository. If there's any additional hoops to jump

Re: my two big fustrations with the N800 - please help me find aworkaround!

2007-07-20 Thread Tomas Junnonen
ext Ed Bartosh wrote: The problem is that the repos are frustrating to access and use, so folks are throwing up their own instead. This one I don't understand at all, sorry. What frustration are you talking about? For those developers who has garage accounts it's just matter of sending

Re: my two big fustrations with the N800 - please help me find aworkaround!

2007-07-20 Thread Riku Voipio
Tomas Junnonen wrote: I think at least partially it's because there's no carrot being offered to the developers. If the Extras repository was included in the Application Manager by default, although disabled (as Multiverse is in Ubuntu, you can show a disclaimer when enabling it), people would

RE: my two big fustrations with the N800 - please help me find aworkaround!

2007-07-20 Thread quim.gil
Just a quickie while I'm writing a longer response: - maemo unstable repository. Let's talk about this, but it is a discussion that needs to be done with the developers and at a development level. The value of the distro relies on the use upstream and other third party developers would make of

Re: RTCom - SIP Service

2007-07-20 Thread Marius Vollmer
ext Larry Battraw [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As an aside, has anyone had their Application manager break after trying to to install RTCom? I managed to get RTCom installed manually via apt-get/dpkg but now whenever I run the Application manager the window will appear almost instantly,

Re: my two big fustrations with the N800 - please help me find aworkaround!

2007-07-20 Thread Ed Bartosh
On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 12:08 +0300, ext Tomas Junnonen wrote: ext Ed Bartosh wrote: The problem is that the repos are frustrating to access and use, so folks are throwing up their own instead. This one I don't understand at all, sorry. What frustration are you talking about? For those

Re: my two big fustrations with the N800 - please help me find aworkaround!

2007-07-20 Thread Marius Vollmer
ext Tomas Junnonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think at least partially it's because there's no carrot being offered to the developers. If the Extras repository was included in the Application Manager by default, although disabled (as Multiverse is in Ubuntu, you can show a disclaimer when

Re: RTcomm with freephonie.net SIP account?

2007-07-20 Thread Laurent MARTIN
Do you have a GoogleTalk or other account also setup? Try disabling that. I found that if 1 account was connected the icon might still show solid green, even though the other account is having trouble. I've now removed my GoogleTalk account: my SIP account is the only one on the N800 but I

Re: RTCom - SIP Service

2007-07-20 Thread Larry Battraw
On 7/20/07, Marius Vollmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ext Larry Battraw [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As an aside, has anyone had their Application manager break after trying to to install RTCom? I managed to get RTCom installed manually via apt-get/dpkg but now whenever I run the Application

Re: my two big fustrations with the N800 - please help me find aworkaround!

2007-07-20 Thread Ferenc Szekely
Hello, On 7/20/07, Tomas Junnonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed Bartosh wrote: I'd look at it from community point of view. If we want to have one more line in /etc/sources.list or in some other configuration file why we should wait for Nokia to do that? Is it so hard to make some package

Re: my two big fustrations with the N800 - please help me find aworkaround!

2007-07-20 Thread Tomas Junnonen
Ed Bartosh wrote: I think at least partially it's because there's no carrot being offered to the developers. If the Extras repository was included in the Application Manager by default, although disabled (as Multiverse is in Ubuntu, you can show a disclaimer when enabling it), people would be

Re: my two big fustrations with the N800 - please help me find aworkaround!

2007-07-20 Thread Ed Bartosh
On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 15:12 +0300, Tomas Junnonen wrote: Ed Bartosh wrote: I think at least partially it's because there's no carrot being offered to the developers. If the Extras repository was included in the Application Manager by default, although disabled (as Multiverse is in Ubuntu,

Re: my two big fustrations with the N800 - please help me find aworkaround!

2007-07-20 Thread Theodore Tso
On Fri, Jul 20, 2007 at 03:12:47PM +0300, Tomas Junnonen wrote: Defaults matter. By enabling extras through an install file on garage you're limiting yourself to the hardcore crowd who knows to visit garage in the first place. True, but we don't need to wait until the next OS/Firmware refresh

Re: my two big fustrations with the N800 - please help me find aworkaround!

2007-07-20 Thread andrei raevsky
On 7/20/07, Theodore Tso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why is it that 12-year-old Palm technology still better than anything Nokia can put out over a decade later? And if the Palm Foleo has better PDA applications, it might seriouslly threaten the N800; after all, it has built-in keyboard and is

Re: my two big fustrations with the N800 - please help me find aworkaround!

2007-07-20 Thread Andrew Flegg
On 7/20/07, andrei raevsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personally have no use whatsoever for PDA applications and I am quite happy that Nokia did not even try to go down that road. They created a fantastic piece of hardware and a rather good OS to run it. Then they added some applications

Re: my two big fustrations with the N800 - please help me find aworkaround!

2007-07-20 Thread Theodore Tso
On Fri, Jul 20, 2007 at 04:03:33PM +0100, Andrew Flegg wrote: The community *has* tried to do calendar and contacts applications; off the top of my head: * GPE Suite's (calendar, contacts, todo) * Opened Hand's Dates and Contacts * Winzig * DejaPim ...and probably a few others. But

Re: my two big fustrations with the N800 - please help me find aworkaround!

2007-07-20 Thread James Knott
andrei raevsky wrote: I personally have no use whatsoever for PDA applications and I am quite happy that Nokia did not even try to go down that road. They created a fantastic piece of hardware and a rather good OS to run it. Then they added some applications and the rest is up to us, the

Re: my two big fustrations with the N800 - please help me find aworkaround!

2007-07-20 Thread Paul Klapperich
On 7/20/07, James Knott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrei raevsky wrote: I personally have no use whatsoever for PDA applications and I am quite happy that Nokia did not even try to go down that road. They created a fantastic piece of hardware and a rather good OS to run it. Then they

Re: my two big fustrations with the N800 - please help me find aworkaround!

2007-07-20 Thread andrei raevsky
On 7/20/07, James Knott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point is that since it is almost a general purpose computer, people should be able to do what ever they want with it, including PDA function. I don't think Nokia ever claimed that the N770/N800 were general purpose computers. It just

Re: my two big fustrations with the N800 - please help me find aworkaround!

2007-07-20 Thread David Hagood
On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 18:29 -0400, James Knott wrote: Paul Klapperich wrote: Another problem I've encountered, is with remote X apps. On my desktop linux systems, I can remotely run apps, via ssh and X. While I can start and display those apps on my N800, I can't use the keyboard or hand

Re: my two big fustrations with the N800 - please help me find aworkaround!

2007-07-20 Thread James Sparenberg
On Friday 20 July 2007 07:45:16 andrei raevsky wrote: On 7/20/07, Theodore Tso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why is it that 12-year-old Palm technology still better than anything Nokia can put out over a decade later? And if the Palm Foleo has better PDA applications, it might seriouslly

Re: my two big fustrations with the N800 - please help me find aworkaround!

2007-07-20 Thread James Knott
David Hagood wrote: On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 18:29 -0400, James Knott wrote: Paul Klapperich wrote: Another problem I've encountered, is with remote X apps. On my desktop linux systems, I can remotely run apps, via ssh and X. While I can start and display those apps on my N800, I can't use

Re: my two big fustrations with the N800 - please help me find aworkaround!

2007-07-20 Thread David Hagood
On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 21:20 -0400, James Knott wrote: When I use a remote app on my desktop system, the keyboard and mouse work with that application. As they do with the N800. Hook a Bluetooth keyboard up, and it works just like you said. You might try actually READING what I posted.

Re: my two big fustrations with the N800 - please help me find aworkaround!

2007-07-20 Thread DrFredC.com
James Knott wrote: My point is that since it is almost a general purpose computer, people should be able to do what ever they want with it, including PDA function. That said, I find some of the apps are not quite there yet, as far as product quality and usability go. For example, while there