Re: WiFi borked after update

2008-10-07 Thread Andrew Flegg
Dmitry wrote:   Well I know about colors, but why do you need them at all - that is my question. I don't know of any other distro using similar concepts: Xandros on Eee, Ubuntu, Debian, OpenMoko, Gentoo, RedHat - none is using a concept of two separate modes for installs. I wonder how did it

Re: WiFi borked after update

2008-10-07 Thread Marius Vollmer
ext Dmitry S. Makovey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ryan Abel wrote: To anybody reading using Red Pill mode, please don't. If you aren't absolutely positive of what it's going to do, then you're just going to get yourself in trouble. You don't need it and you don't want it, so don't use it.

Re: WiFi borked after update

2008-10-07 Thread Marius Vollmer
ext Andrew Flegg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is the reason for the two modes - one gives you the sanitised view, one gives you everything. I fully agree with blue-pill mode for end-users; but I don't understand why red-pill's needed: if you're a power user, I can't imagine Hildon App Mgr

Re: WiFi borked after update

2008-10-07 Thread Andrew Flegg
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Marius Vollmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, sometimes the Application manager is the only tool you have: xterm might not be there, or you can not login as root. It would be frustrating to not be able to bootstrap yourself into a root shell just because the

Re: WiFi borked after update

2008-10-07 Thread Marius Vollmer
ext Andrew Flegg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: True. Perhaps we (as a community) should try pushing this message more: red-pill mode is intended as a rescue environment in the event of b0rkage; not for every day use (even by power users)? Yes. What about making red-pill mode non-persistent: on

Re: WiFi borked after update

2008-10-07 Thread kenneth marken
On Tuesday 07 October 2008 16:24:35 Marius Vollmer wrote: ext Andrew Flegg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: True. Perhaps we (as a community) should try pushing this message more: red-pill mode is intended as a rescue environment in the event of b0rkage; not for every day use (even by power

Re: WiFi borked after update

2008-10-07 Thread Andrew Flegg
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 3:51 PM, kenneth marken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: or mod so that there is a power user mode that shows more info about the packages, but do not show the system related ones that red pill is there to protect. What's the use case that that'd support, though? I consider

Re: WiFi borked after update

2008-10-07 Thread Marius Vollmer
ext Denis Dimick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While I'm not sure I'm in Red Pill Mode, I did my update from the command line over SSH; a really STUPID ting to do. On a Maemo device, yes. In general, no. Updating while logged in over the network must work in any half-serious OS. (Red-pill mode

Re: WiFi borked after update

2008-10-07 Thread Denis Dimick
Marius, I agree that updating over a network should, and does work from a normal Linux distro, however, I'm not sure it's going to work on Maemo anytime soon; I'm guessing the small memory footprint prevents some of the applications from not killing off a SSH session when there's an upgrade. I'd

Re: WiFi borked after update

2008-10-07 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, ext Marius Vollmer wrote: True. Perhaps we (as a community) should try pushing this message more: red-pill mode is intended as a rescue environment in the event of b0rkage; not for every day use (even by power users)? Yes. What about making red-pill mode non-persistent: on the next

Re: WiFi borked after update

2008-10-07 Thread Andrew Flegg
On 10/7/08, Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ext Marius Vollmer wrote: Yes. What about making red-pill mode non-persistent: on the next start of the AM, it would be back in blue-pill mode. Sounds good to me. Agreed. Sounds like the best way of balancing the features against the

Re: WiFi borked after update

2008-10-07 Thread Ryan Abel
On Oct 7, 2008, at 12:15 PM, Eero Tamminen wrote: Hi, ext Marius Vollmer wrote: True. Perhaps we (as a community) should try pushing this message more: red-pill mode is intended as a rescue environment in the event of b0rkage; not for every day use (even by power users)? Yes. What about

Re: WiFi borked after update

2008-10-07 Thread Dmitry S. Makovey
Marius Vollmer wrote: True. Perhaps we (as a community) should try pushing this message more: red-pill mode is intended as a rescue environment in the event of b0rkage; not for every day use (even by power users)? Yes. What about making red-pill mode non-persistent: on the next start