Re: WiFi borked after update

2008-10-07 Thread Andrew Flegg
Dmitry wrote: >  > Well I know about colors, but why do you need them at all - that is my > question. I don't know of any other distro using similar concepts: > Xandros on Eee, Ubuntu, Debian, OpenMoko, Gentoo, RedHat - none is using > a concept of two separate modes for installs. I wonder how did

Re: WiFi borked after update

2008-10-07 Thread Marius Vollmer
"ext Dmitry S. Makovey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Ryan Abel wrote: >> To anybody reading using Red Pill mode, please don't. If you aren't >> absolutely positive of what it's going to do, then you're just going >> to get yourself in trouble. You don't need it and you don't want it, >> so don't

Re: WiFi borked after update

2008-10-07 Thread Marius Vollmer
"ext [EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > One colour pill is for ordinary users. They get packages that are safe > to use. > > The other is for system hackers who know what they're doing. They also > get packages that are not safe to use, in case they need them to do > things the

Re: WiFi borked after update

2008-10-07 Thread Marius Vollmer
"ext Andrew Flegg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This is the reason for the two modes - one gives you the sanitised > view, one gives you everything. I fully agree with blue-pill mode for > end-users; but I don't understand why red-pill's needed: if you're a > power user, I can't imagine Hildon Ap

Re: WiFi borked after update

2008-10-07 Thread Andrew Flegg
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Marius Vollmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > However, sometimes the Application manager is the only tool you have: > xterm might not be there, or you can not login as root. It would be > frustrating to not be able to bootstrap yourself into a root shell > just because

Re: WiFi borked after update

2008-10-07 Thread Marius Vollmer
"ext Andrew Flegg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > True. Perhaps we (as a community) should try pushing this message > more: red-pill mode is intended as a rescue environment in the event > of b0rkage; not for every day use (even by power users)? Yes. What about making red-pill mode non-persistent

Re: WiFi borked after update

2008-10-07 Thread kenneth marken
On Tuesday 07 October 2008 16:24:35 Marius Vollmer wrote: > "ext Andrew Flegg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > True. Perhaps we (as a community) should try pushing this message > > more: red-pill mode is intended as a rescue environment in the event > > of b0rkage; not for every day use (even by po

Re: WiFi borked after update

2008-10-07 Thread Andrew Flegg
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 3:51 PM, kenneth marken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > or mod so that there is a power user mode that shows more info about the > packages, but do not show the system related ones that red pill is there > to protect. What's the use case that that'd support, though? I conside

Re: WiFi borked after update

2008-10-07 Thread Marius Vollmer
"ext Denis Dimick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > While I'm not sure I'm in Red Pill Mode, I did my update from the > command line over SSH; a really STUPID ting to do. On a Maemo device, yes. In general, no. Updating while logged in over the network must work in any half-serious OS. (Red-pill

Re: WiFi borked after update

2008-10-07 Thread Denis Dimick
Marius, I agree that updating over a network should, and does work from a "normal" Linux distro, however, I'm not sure it's going to work on Maemo anytime soon; I'm guessing the small memory footprint prevents some of the applications from not killing off a SSH session when there's an upgrade. I'd

Re: WiFi borked after update

2008-10-07 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, ext Marius Vollmer wrote: >> True. Perhaps we (as a community) should try pushing this message >> more: red-pill mode is intended as a rescue environment in the event >> of b0rkage; not for every day use (even by power users)? > > Yes. What about making red-pill mode non-persistent: on the n

Re: WiFi borked after update

2008-10-07 Thread Andrew Flegg
On 10/7/08, Eero Tamminen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ext Marius Vollmer wrote: > > > Yes. What about making red-pill mode non-persistent: on the next start > > of the AM, it would be back in blue-pill mode. > > Sounds good to me. Agreed. Sounds like the best way of balancing the features ag

Re: WiFi borked after update

2008-10-07 Thread Ryan Abel
On Oct 7, 2008, at 12:15 PM, Eero Tamminen wrote: > Hi, > > ext Marius Vollmer wrote: >>> True. Perhaps we (as a community) should try pushing this message >>> more: red-pill mode is intended as a rescue environment in the event >>> of b0rkage; not for every day use (even by power users)? >> >> Y

Re: WiFi borked after update

2008-10-07 Thread Dmitry S. Makovey
Marius Vollmer wrote: >> True. Perhaps we (as a community) should try pushing this message >> more: red-pill mode is intended as a rescue environment in the event >> of b0rkage; not for every day use (even by power users)? >> > > Yes. What about making red-pill mode non-persistent: on the nex