Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-13 Thread Matt Emson
Just curious -- which country are you calling 'this'? The UK, well England if you want to be pedantic. I understand it was popular elsewhere, but the UK is all I can comment on. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-12 Thread Matt Emson
On 11 Sep 2008, at 16:24, Mark wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:35 AM, Matt Emson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark wrote: You are so incredibly wrong. About? Pretty much everything... Well, no. You stated that only embedded and handhelds use ARM processors. Obviously, this is

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-11 Thread Simon Budig
Mark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Baloney! You really don't know what you are talking about. Unique message ID's are part of the internet mail standard. I've never seen a message that

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-11 Thread Alberto Garcia
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 08:32:43PM -0600, Mark wrote: The bottom line is that IMAP is totally unnecessary and irrelevant. It's yet another case of a competing standard that only complicates the world and doesn't provide any real advantages. I frankly don't understand this... Going to the

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-11 Thread Matt Emson
Mark wrote: You are so incredibly wrong. About? That the Archimedes uses ARM processors, um, no. Acorn designed the original ARM processor. The A in ARM originally stood for Acorn. That my A7000 is an embedded device in disguise? No, it's a full desktop machine, uses standard RAM, standard

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-11 Thread Riku Voipio
Mark wrote: You are so incredibly wrong. My point was that yes, an ARM system is definitely capable of running either an IMAP or a POP3 server, and that storage and network bandwidth would be much more of a factor than the system processor. Clearly, the ARM systems you're referring to are NOT

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-11 Thread Mark
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:06 AM, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Baloney! You really don't know what you are talking about. Unique message ID's are

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-11 Thread Mark
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:17 AM, Alberto Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 08:32:43PM -0600, Mark wrote: The bottom line is that IMAP is totally unnecessary and irrelevant. It's yet another case of a competing standard that only complicates the world and doesn't provide

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-11 Thread Alberto Garcia
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 09:13:40AM -0600, Mark wrote: ...all of which can just as easily be done with POP3. How can I have multiple e-mail folders with POP3 ? -- Alberto García González http://people.igalia.com/berto/ ___ maemo-users mailing list

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-11 Thread Mark
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 9:16 AM, Alberto Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 09:13:40AM -0600, Mark wrote: ...all of which can just as easily be done with POP3. How can I have multiple e-mail folders with POP3 ? -- Alberto García González

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-11 Thread Alberto Garcia
On Thursday 11/09/2008 09:30, Mark said... ...all of which can just as easily be done with POP3. How can I have multiple e-mail folders with POP3 ? Use Procmail to filter and direct messages to different mail files (folders). You mean in the mail server? And how can I switch between

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-11 Thread Mark
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 9:41 AM, Alberto Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 11/09/2008 09:30, Mark said... ...all of which can just as easily be done with POP3. How can I have multiple e-mail folders with POP3 ? Use Procmail to filter and direct messages to different mail files

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-11 Thread Simon Budig
Mark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:06 AM, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Baloney! You really don't know what you are talking

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-11 Thread Eric Warnke
Can we all just drop this.. Under diablo there is 1) Modest 2) Claws If you can't use one of those stick to Chinook and osso-mail; you are also free to compile or port your own mail app. The nitty gritty discussion about who has the bigger, faster, more redundant, message-ID's is getting old.

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-11 Thread Mark
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:06 AM, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark ([EMAIL

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-11 Thread Christer Eliasson
Well said.. Im kinda getting fed up with my beutiful and serene N810 start screaming every 5min for xx new mails on which mail klient or server implementation can pis the farthest :p Just my 0.1€ of input on this very boring subject atm //Chris 11 sep 2008 kl. 18.58 skrev Eric

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-11 Thread Alberto Garcia
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:44:02AM -0600, Mark wrote: ...all of which can just as easily be done with POP3. How can I have multiple e-mail folders with POP3 ? Use Procmail to filter and direct messages to different mail files (folders). You mean in the mail server? And how can I

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-11 Thread Mark
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Eric Warnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we all just drop this.. Under diablo there is 1) Modest 2) Claws 3) Webmail 4) Telnet, SSH, rlogin to your favorite local text email client. 5) VNC to whatever desktop client you're using. If you can't use one

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-11 Thread Alberto Garcia
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 11:15:49AM -0600, Mark wrote: So there are features that IMAP has that POP3 doesn't ?? What are those features ?? The features that the IMAP clients, not the protocol, present as assets are exactly the same as you get through any Webmail interface. POP clients

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-11 Thread Mark
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Alberto Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So there are features that IMAP has that POP3 doesn't ?? What are those features ?? -- Alberto García González http://people.igalia.com/berto/ The features that the IMAP clients, not the protocol, present as assets

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-10 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Mark wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Theodore Tso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there's something you want that isn't yet implemented in open source, either implement it yourself, or gently request that someone who can implement do so --- or perhaps you can hire them or otherwise

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-10 Thread Theodore Tso
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 09:54:14AM +0200, Dave Neary wrote: With commercial software the I'm paying money for this software argument carries some (but not much, in my experience) weight with the maintainers, which it obviously doesn't with Free Software. At least in theory, this can work

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-10 Thread Riku Voipio
Mark wrote: Your setup may be able to handle IMAP just fine, but it could at least as easily handle POP3. If you're running it on an ARM system you clearly are not leaving messages (especially with large attachments) on the server indefinitely (there's no ARM system I know of that has the

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-10 Thread Matt Emson
Riku Voipio wrote: Mark wrote: Your setup may be able to handle IMAP just fine, but it could at least as easily handle POP3. If you're running it on an ARM system you clearly are not leaving messages (especially with large attachments) on the server indefinitely (there's no ARM system I

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-10 Thread Luca Olivetti
El Tue, 9 Sep 2008 13:53:40 -0600 Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: The discussion is about real mail servers My server is as real as it gets, in fact I'm using it every day. that are running on the Internet somewhere else check and serving large numbers of accounts, with why? I don't

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-10 Thread Mark
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 6:56 AM, Matt Emson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Riku Voipio wrote: Mark wrote: Your setup may be able to handle IMAP just fine, but it could at least as easily handle POP3. If you're running it on an ARM system you clearly are not leaving messages (especially with

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-10 Thread Tuukka Tolvanen
Mark wrote: You are so incredibly wrong. My point was that yes, an ARM system is ultimately, IMAP 1) ALWAYS uses more storage than POP3, and 2) Heh. 't. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-10 Thread Mark
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Theodore Tso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 03:58:26PM -0600, Mark wrote: This sounds like going to a whole lot of work to do something that I've been doing for years with POP3 without any additional server or software... It's actually very

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-10 Thread Ryan Abel
On Sep 10, 2008, at 9:32 PM, Mark wrote: Once again, nice theory, but very far from reality. In reality, *very* few open source products approach anything like the reliability, usability, versatility or feature set of their commercial competition. Yes, a few projects beat their commercial

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-10 Thread Simon Budig
Mark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Baloney! You really don't know what you are talking about. Unique message ID's are part of the internet mail standard. I've never seen a message that didn't have a unique Message ID. I get tons and tons of different spam messages, sharing the same message id.

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-10 Thread Mark
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Baloney! You really don't know what you are talking about. Unique message ID's are part of the internet mail standard. I've never seen a message that didn't have a unique Message ID. I get

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-10 Thread Mark
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Tuukka Tolvanen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark wrote: You are so incredibly wrong. My point was that yes, an ARM system is ultimately, IMAP 1) ALWAYS uses more storage than POP3, and 2) Heh. 't. That's more than a little cryptic, but I have to assume that

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-09 Thread Luca Olivetti
El Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:15:21 -0600 Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: The crux of the matter is in specifically *what* resources are in question. IMAP may have an initial savings in network bandwidth (which is debatable), but ultimately uses much more in the way of every other type of computing

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-09 Thread Mark
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Luca Olivetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: El Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:15:21 -0600 Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: The crux of the matter is in specifically *what* resources are in question. IMAP may have an initial savings in network bandwidth (which is debatable),

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-09 Thread Theodore Tso
On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 01:53:40PM -0600, Mark wrote: Anyway, I didn't say that IMAP was a resource hog in the grand scheme of computing, only in comparison with POP3. It really depends on how the IMAP/POP3 server was implemented. Some POP3 servers are implemented optimizing for the case

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-08 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Tim Ashman wrote: Ok, so I've upgraded to diablo over the weekend and for the most part it is great. However I can't stand modest, it just doesn't work in a way that works for me and it appears to have bugs that the older email didn't. If you don't like Modest, you might want to try

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-08 Thread Matt Emson
Matt Emson wrote: If I then checked my main email client, sure enough it was there To clarify - if I check me email later on that day on my MacBook - when no other client had attempted to download the email since the N800 has attempted to. i.e. the email *does* exist. M

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-08 Thread kenneth marken
On Monday 08 September 2008 16:58:06 Matt Emson wrote: Not solving any of Tim's issues - reporting some of my own: 1) Email will not open - quite often I'll double tap on an email and it does not open, but I can see it is downloaded by the little progress bar in the bottom corner. If I click

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-08 Thread James Knott
Mark wrote: The assertion that IMAP is better for use on multiple computers is absolutely untrue, as I have had great success with POP3 on multiple computers for many years. The truth is that I have more precise control, with much less fussing and finagling, with POP3 than with IMAP. As a

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-08 Thread Julius Szelagiewicz
For privacy and robustness use your own server. Make it as dependable as you wish. I didn't mention something that seemed obvious to me: Encrypt everything! Use strong encryption, encrypt mail boxes or whole drives. For sensitive messages exchange the keys with your correspondents. julius On

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-08 Thread Mark
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Julius Szelagiewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For privacy and robustness use your own server. Make it as dependable as you wish. I didn't mention something that seemed obvious to me: Encrypt everything! Use strong encryption, encrypt mail boxes or whole drives.

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-08 Thread Mark
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Aniello Del Sorbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just wanted to write that I don't think Andre Klapper wanted to be rude and force others to follow his own ideas. I might be wrong, of course, but having followed his work on Maemo as bugmaster and having read

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-08 Thread Julius Szelagiewicz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Julius Szelagiewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For privacy and robustness use your own server. Make it as dependable as you wish. I didn't mention something that seemed obvious to me: Encrypt everything! Use strong

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-08 Thread kenneth marken
On Monday 08 September 2008 22:01:36 Gary wrote: Mark wrote: Um, no, maybe it's one of those ugly hacks, but viewing just the headers is possible with POP3. Also, telneting to pine gives the equivalent functionality *without* any hacks. Perhaps with some mail clients but it's not part of

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-08 Thread Mark
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark wrote: Um, no, maybe it's one of those ugly hacks, but viewing just the headers is possible with POP3. Also, telneting to pine gives the equivalent functionality *without* any hacks. Perhaps with some mail clients but it's

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-08 Thread Aniello Del Sorbo
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 9:19 PM, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Aniello Del Sorbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just wanted to write that I don't think Andre Klapper wanted to be rude and force others to follow his own ideas. I might be wrong, of course, but having

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-08 Thread Tuukka Tolvanen
Mark wrote: On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Aniello Del Sorbo[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just wanted to write that I don't think Andre Klapper wanted to be rude and force others to follow his own ideas. I might be wrong, of course, but having followed his work on Maemo as bugmaster and

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-08 Thread Tim Ashman
On Monday 08 September 2008 06:39:05 am Andre Klapper wrote: Am Montag, den 08.09.2008, 06:22 -0700 schrieb Tim Ashman: My first choice at this point would be to just be able to install the older email and ditch modest. I don't think that osso-email has been ported to Diablo. Nobody works

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-08 Thread Tim Ashman
On Monday 08 September 2008 07:23:47 am Peter Bart wrote: On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:12:09 +0200 Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Tim Ashman wrote: Ok, so I've upgraded to diablo over the weekend and for the most part it is great. However I can't stand modest, it just doesn't

Re: Fw: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-08 Thread Tim Ashman
On Monday 08 September 2008 08:21:21 am Sergio Villar Senin wrote: Hi Tim, Tim Ashman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Data: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 06:22:50 -0700 Para: maemo-users@maemo.org Para: maemo-users@maemo.org Ok, so I've upgraded to diablo over the weekend and for the most part it is

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-08 Thread Tim Ashman
On Monday 08 September 2008 10:32:10 am James Knott wrote: Mark wrote: The assertion that IMAP is better for use on multiple computers is absolutely untrue, as I have had great success with POP3 on multiple computers for many years. The truth is that I have more precise control, with much

Re: Fw: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-08 Thread Mark
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Tim Ashman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For a POP account the messages are deleted from the server unless you check the option Leave messages on server which is checked by default. As you could see the more conservative option is the default one. Yes, I do have

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-08 Thread Tim Ashman
On Monday 08 September 2008 11:34:03 am Mark wrote: Again, this is a *limitation*, not an asset, as far as I am concerned. I find it ironic that people who are ordinarily paranoid about privacy, reliability, control, etc. don't have a problem putting their faith in some server that could be

Re: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-08 Thread Tim Ashman
On Monday 08 September 2008 11:43:01 am Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: All that said, I still can't fathom why would anyone really want all the email on a mobile device that is prone to loss or failure when dropped. Having a tiny Linux server that fetches all your email from all the sources, puts

Re: Fw: Diablo's Modest/Email

2008-09-08 Thread Tim Ashman
On Monday 08 September 2008 03:44:19 pm Mark wrote: On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Tim Ashman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For a POP account the messages are deleted from the server unless you check the option Leave messages on server which is checked by default. As you could see the more