Marius Vollmer wrote:
> "ext James Knott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>
>> Further on this. As an experiment, I just installed xvkbd on my main
>> system, running the KDE desktop. I then connected to another system via
>> ssh and started an application. I am able to use the xvkbd virtual
>>
Ed Bartosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Of course not. Nokia wants the maemo community to be healthy, and
>> Nokia, as initiator and part of the community, is currently very much
>> in charge of setting the rules and giving directions for future
>> improvement.
>
> I agree with this. My point w
On Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 02:09:28PM +0300, Tomas Junnonen wrote:
> ext James Knott wrote:
> > I have demonstrated with two different virtual
> > keyboards, that it is indeed possible to run an X app via ssh, with a
> > virtual keyboard. Now that this fact has been established, perhaps
> > you can
"ext James Knott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Further on this. As an experiment, I just installed xvkbd on my main
> system, running the KDE desktop. I then connected to another system via
> ssh and started an application. I am able to use the xvkbd virtual
> keyboard to type into OpenOffice
ext James Knott wrote:
> I have demonstrated with two different virtual
> keyboards, that it is indeed possible to run an X app via ssh, with a
> virtual keyboard. Now that this fact has been established, perhaps
> you can explain why the N800 virtual keyboard fails in this regard.
> It is not b
"ext Tomas Junnonen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> - Requesting access through the interface creates an entry in a
> ticket tracker, where it can be voted and commented on. Access is
> granted (or not) when a repo admin resolves the ticket.
Would you do this for each new version of a package,
On Mon, 2007-07-23 at 13:02 +0300, Marius Vollmer wrote:
> "ext Ed Bartosh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 12:08 +0300, ext Tomas Junnonen wrote:
> >
> >> If there's any additional hoops to jump through people just aren't going
> >> to bother.
> >
> > Yeah, I can see that
"ext Ed Bartosh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 12:08 +0300, ext Tomas Junnonen wrote:
>
>> If there's any additional hoops to jump through people just aren't going
>> to bother.
>
> Yeah, I can see that. And you know what? It's not because Nokia not
> doing this and that, it
What do you mean by 'packages from clean 3.2007 and 4.2007
installations'? Are you still speaking about extras repository?
>From my point of view first step would be to make clear package
acceptance criteria for extras.
The next step is to select well tested and widely used by community and
users
James Knott wrote:
> James Knott wrote:
>
>> David Hagood wrote:
>>
>>> OK, now, having recapitulated the conversation, I am going to summarize it:
>>>
>>> YES - IT IS IMPOSSIBLE. You are remoting an X application. The X protocol
>>> does not provide enough information for the system to kn
James Knott wrote:
> David Hagood wrote:
>
>> First of all, I am going to take this off list.
>>
>> Second, I am going to re-order things a bit to try to make some things
>> clear:
>>
>>
>>
Now, take a few moments, and READ WHAT I JUST WROTE.
David Hagood wrote:
> First of all, I am going to take this off list.
>
> Second, I am going to re-order things a bit to try to make some things
> clear:
>
>
>>> Now, take a few moments, and READ WHAT I JUST WROTE.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I have read it and my point still stands.
>>
>
DrFredC.com wrote:
> James Knott wrote:
>
>> My point is that since it is almost a general purpose computer, people
>> should be able to do what ever they want with it, including PDA
>> function. That said, I find some of the apps are not quite "there" yet,
>> as far as product quality and usab
David Hagood wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 21:20 -0400, James Knott wrote:
>
>> When I use a remote app on my desktop system, the keyboard and mouse
>> work with that application.
>>
>
> As they do with the N800. Hook a Bluetooth keyboard up, and it works
> just like you said.
>
> You migh
So, the first experiment can be is to adopt packages for 4.2007.26-8 make
'em a base for earlier platforms dist-upgrade. Initially the list of
packages from clean 3.2007 and 4.2007 installations should be created for
analysis of the difference. Am I right?
Denis
On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:37:26
James Knott wrote:
> My point is that since it is almost a general purpose computer, people
> should be able to do what ever they want with it, including PDA
> function. That said, I find some of the apps are not quite "there" yet,
> as far as product quality and usability go. For example, while
On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 21:20 -0400, James Knott wrote:
> When I use a remote app on my desktop system, the keyboard and mouse
> work with that application.
As they do with the N800. Hook a Bluetooth keyboard up, and it works
just like you said.
You might try actually READING what I posted.
>
David Hagood wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 18:29 -0400, James Knott wrote:
>
>> Paul Klapperich wrote:
>> Another problem I've encountered, is with remote X apps. On my desktop
>> linux systems, I can remotely run apps, via ssh and X. While I can
>> start and display those apps on my N800, I
On Friday 20 July 2007 07:45:16 andrei raevsky wrote:
> On 7/20/07, Theodore Tso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > why is it
> > that 12-year-old Palm technology still better than anything Nokia can
> > put out over a decade later?
> >
> > And if the Palm Foleo has better PDA applications, it might se
On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 18:29 -0400, James Knott wrote:
> Paul Klapperich wrote:
> Another problem I've encountered, is with remote X apps. On my desktop
> linux systems, I can remotely run apps, via ssh and X. While I can
> start and display those apps on my N800, I can't use the keyboard or
> ha
On 7/20/07, James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
My point is that since it is almost a general purpose computer, people
should be able to do what ever they want with it, including PDA
function.
I don't think Nokia ever claimed that the N770/N800 were "general purpose
computers". It just ha
Paul Klapperich wrote:
> On 7/20/07, James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> andrei raevsky wrote:
>>
>>> I personally have no use whatsoever for "PDA applications" and I am
>>> quite happy that Nokia did not even try to go down that road. They
>>> created a fantastic piece of hardware
On 7/20/07, James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> andrei raevsky wrote:
> >
> > I personally have no use whatsoever for "PDA applications" and I am
> > quite happy that Nokia did not even try to go down that road. They
> > created a fantastic piece of hardware and a rather good OS to run it.
>
andrei raevsky wrote:
>
> I personally have no use whatsoever for "PDA applications" and I am
> quite happy that Nokia did not even try to go down that road. They
> created a fantastic piece of hardware and a rather good OS to run it.
> Then they added some applications and the rest is up to us,
On Fri, Jul 20, 2007 at 04:03:33PM +0100, Andrew Flegg wrote:
> The community *has* tried to do calendar and contacts applications;
> off the top of my head:
>
> * GPE Suite's (calendar, contacts, todo)
> * Opened Hand's Dates and Contacts
> * Winzig
> * DejaPim
>
> ...and probably a few othe
On 7/20/07, andrei raevsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I personally have no use whatsoever for "PDA applications" and I am quite
> happy that Nokia did not even try to go down that road. They created a
> fantastic piece of hardware and a rather good OS to run it. Then they
> added some applica
On 7/20/07, Theodore Tso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
why is it
that 12-year-old Palm technology still better than anything Nokia can
put out over a decade later?
And if the Palm Foleo has better PDA applications, it might seriouslly
threaten the N800; after all, it has built-in keyboard and is o
On Fri, Jul 20, 2007 at 03:12:47PM +0300, Tomas Junnonen wrote:
> Defaults matter. By enabling extras through an install file on garage
> you're limiting yourself to the hardcore crowd who knows to visit garage
> in the first place.
True, but we don't need to wait until the next OS/Firmware refres
On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 15:12 +0300, Tomas Junnonen wrote:
> Ed Bartosh wrote:
> >> I think at least partially it's because there's no carrot being offered
> >> to the developers. If the Extras repository was included in the
> >> Application Manager by default, although disabled (as Multiverse is in
Ed Bartosh wrote:
>> I think at least partially it's because there's no carrot being offered
>> to the developers. If the Extras repository was included in the
>> Application Manager by default, although disabled (as Multiverse is in
>> Ubuntu, you can show a disclaimer when enabling it), people wo
Hello,
On 7/20/07, Tomas Junnonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ed Bartosh wrote:
> > I'd look at it from community point of view. If we want to have one more
> > line in /etc/sources.list or in some other configuration file why we
> > should wait for Nokia to do that? Is it so hard to make some pa
On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 12:08 +0300, ext Tomas Junnonen wrote:
> ext Ed Bartosh wrote:
> >> The problem is that the repos are frustrating to access and use, so folks
> >> are throwing up their own instead.
> > This one I don't understand at all, sorry. What frustration are you
> > talking about?
"ext Tomas Junnonen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I think at least partially it's because there's no carrot being offered
> to the developers. If the Extras repository was included in the
> Application Manager by default, although disabled (as Multiverse is in
> Ubuntu, you can show a disclaimer
Just a quickie while I'm writing a longer response:
- maemo unstable repository. Let's talk about this, but it is a
discussion that needs to be done with the developers and at a
development level. The value of the distro relies on the use upstream
and other third party developers would make of it.
Tomas Junnonen wrote:
> I think at least partially it's because there's no carrot being offered
> to the developers. If the Extras repository was included in the
> Application Manager by default, although disabled (as Multiverse is in
> Ubuntu, you can show a disclaimer when enabling it), people wo
2007/7/20, Tomas Junnonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
- Integrate it with the garage project page! When creating a release and
uploading files to the project, there should be a checkbox on the
release page for automagically pushing the packages to the repository.
If there's any additional hoops to jump
ext Ed Bartosh wrote:
>> The problem is that the repos are frustrating to access and use, so folks
>> are throwing up their own instead.
> This one I don't understand at all, sorry. What frustration are you
> talking about? For those developers who has garage accounts it's just
> matter of send
On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 16:38 -0400, ext Mike Lococo wrote:
> >> You mention several repositories that don't belong to us [Nokia]. We don't
> >> respond of them. We can't and won't stop developers from creating their
> >> own repositories.
> >
> > Maybe someone can monitor intersting and widely used
>> You mention several repositories that don't belong to us [Nokia]. We don't
>> respond of them. We can't and won't stop developers from creating their
>> own repositories.
>
> Maybe someone can monitor intersting and widely used packages moving it to
> the extras repo notifying package develope
> So it's not that simple, specially if you are Nokia and you have to
> provide perfect dist-upgrade's to your customers under guarantee.
But you can give users the choice to select option to install from
unstable repository which may contain OS upgrade packages and this
practice is ordinary.
Hi Andrei,
> How does one take something as beautiful as " apt-get update &&
apt-get dist-upgrade" and
> reduce it to such a total disaster?!
We can't compare Nokia with the Debian project just because both use
.deb packages. The software development process is different, the end
users are dif
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