Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout : Why validate software patents ?

2010-12-08 Thread Dale Huckeby
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, Ahmad Samir wrote: On 8 December 2010 11:39, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: 2010/12/8 Ahmad Samir : For Fedora, being the most legally-challenged distro around, they don't include any patented software in their official repos at all, not even mp3 playback is possible in a defaul

Re: [Mageia-dev] Downloading the .iso file: Hopefully B itTorrent not mandated...

2010-12-08 Thread Oliver Burger
Maurice Batey schrieb am 2010-12-08 > On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 19:00:54 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > > You are talking about the commercial package. We are talking > > about the "normal" distribution. > Fair enough! And I hope Mageia will not mandate BitTorrent... As told several times before, Bi

Re: [Mageia-dev] Downloading the .iso file: Hopefully BitTorrent not mandated...

2010-12-08 Thread Maurice Batey
On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 19:00:54 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > You are talking about the commercial package. We are talking about the > "normal" distribution. Fair enough! And I hope Mageia will not mandate BitTorrent... -- /\/\aurice

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout : Why validate software patents ?

2010-12-08 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2010/12/8 herman : > On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 10:28 -0700, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: >> So, we either abandon the mirrorlist approach >> or we have 2 mirrorlists (one with and one without tainted software) >> and let the user decide which one he sets up on his system. > +1 for two mirror lists. > This i

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout : Why validate software patents ?

2010-12-08 Thread herman
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 10:28 -0700, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > So, we either abandon the mirrorlist approach > or we have 2 mirrorlists (one with and one without tainted software) > and let the user decide which one he sets up on his system. +1 for two mirror lists. This is probably the simplest solu

Re: [Mageia-dev] Downloading the .iso file: Hopefully BitTorrent not mandated...

2010-12-08 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2010/12/8 Maurice Batey : > On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 17:36:26 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > >> Including current version it was/is available via BitTorrent >> AND FTP download from the mirrors. > >  When I tried to download the Mandriva 2010.1 PowerPack .iso file > (when it first appeared), the Mandr

Re: [Mageia-dev] Downloading the .iso file: Hopefully BitTorrent not mandated...

2010-12-08 Thread Maurice Batey
On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 17:36:26 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > Including current version it was/is available via BitTorrent > AND FTP download from the mirrors. When I tried to download the Mandriva 2010.1 PowerPack .iso file (when it first appeared), the Mandriva site offered only BitTorrent.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout : Why validate software patents ?

2010-12-08 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2010/12/8 Oliver Burger : > Let's devide the repos in those packages, that can be distibuted everywhere > and those that can't and let the mirror maintainers chose if or if not they > are willing to mirror the second one. That was one of the first suggestions in the whole discussion. The only prob

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout : Why validate software patents ?

2010-12-08 Thread Oliver Burger
"herman" schrieb am 2010-12-08 > On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 09:35 -0700, Nex6 wrote: > > I personally would follow the fedora model. > Fedora is same as Mandriva and Suse. See Livna and Packman > respectively. We are no company that has to be concerned with selling its product in some strange country

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout : Why validate software patents ?

2010-12-08 Thread herman
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 09:35 -0700, Nex6 wrote: > > Fedora does not have such software. > I personally would follow the fedora model. Fedora is same as Mandriva and Suse. See Livna and Packman respectively.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout : Why validate software patents ?

2010-12-08 Thread Nex6
On 12/8/2010 5:47 AM, Anssi Hannula wrote: Wolfgang Bornath kirjoitti: 2010/12/8 andre999: Ok, I think, how many other distros have such repositories. Â According to comments on the list : none. Oh, really? Some (like Mandriva) do not have such a repository because they do not distribute such

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout : Why validate software patents ?

2010-12-08 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 8 December 2010 15:59, Anssi Hannula wrote: > Ahmad Samir kirjoitti: >> Debian has a non-US repo... etc > > There hasn't been a non-US repo in Debian releases in years. It existed > due to cryptographic regulations in the US, IIRC. > > -- > Anssi Hannula > OK, thanks for the correction. -- A

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout : Why validate software patents ?

2010-12-08 Thread Anssi Hannula
Ahmad Samir kirjoitti: > Debian has a non-US repo... etc There hasn't been a non-US repo in Debian releases in years. It existed due to cryptographic regulations in the US, IIRC. -- Anssi Hannula

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout : Why validate software patents ?

2010-12-08 Thread Anssi Hannula
Wolfgang Bornath kirjoitti: > 2010/12/8 Daniel Kreuter : >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Wolfgang Bornath >> >> wrote: >>> >>> Oh, really? Some (like Mandriva) do not have such a repository because >>> they do not distribute such software at all, PLF does that for >>> Mandriva. What about

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout : Why validate software patents ?

2010-12-08 Thread Anssi Hannula
Michael Scherer kirjoitti: > Ubuntu has a multiverse repository, and there is also various ppa, and > medibuntu ( http://medibuntu.org/ ). Medibuntu is a fork of the PLF > project ( even if they never credited us for the content of their start > page ... ). Ubuntu is not as rigorous than Fedora or

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout : Why validate software patents ?

2010-12-08 Thread Anssi Hannula
Wolfgang Bornath kirjoitti: > 2010/12/8 andre999 : >> Ok, I think, how many other distros have such repositories.  According >> to >> comments on the list : none. > > Oh, really? Some (like Mandriva) do not have such a repository because > they do not distribute such software at all, In theory on

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout : Why validate software patents ?

2010-12-08 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 8 December 2010 11:39, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > 2010/12/8 Ahmad Samir : >> >> For Fedora, being the most legally-challenged distro around, they >> don't include any patented software in their official repos at all, >> not even mp3 playback is possible in a default install. They even >> don't i

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout : Why validate software patents ?

2010-12-08 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mercredi 08 décembre 2010 à 09:51 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : > 2010/12/8 andre999 : > > > > By presenting a special set of repositories for patent-affected software, we > > could be seen as justifying these patent sharks. > > In their minds, why else would be accommodate them ? > > Paten

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout : Why validate software patents ?

2010-12-08 Thread Daniel Kreuter
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > > Yes, I know. The question was: do they have those patented software > within the same repo as all the other software or do they have an > extra repo for that. > > > -- > wobo > - *Main* - Officially supported software. -

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout : Why validate software patents ?

2010-12-08 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2010/12/8 Daniel Kreuter : > > > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Wolfgang Bornath > wrote: >> >> Oh, really? Some (like Mandriva) do not have such a repository because >> they do not distribute such software at all, PLF does that for >> Mandriva. What about Ubuntu? What about Fedora? > In Ubuntu

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout : Why validate software patents ?

2010-12-08 Thread Oliver Burger
Ahmad Samir schrieb am 2010-12-08 > On 8 December 2010 10:51, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > For Fedora, being the most legally-challenged distro around, they > don't include any patented software in their official repos at all, > not even mp3 playback is possible in a default install. They even > don

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout : Why validate software patents ?

2010-12-08 Thread Daniel Kreuter
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > Oh, really? Some (like Mandriva) do not have such a repository because > they do not distribute such software at all, PLF does that for > Mandriva. What about Ubuntu? What about Fedora? > > In Ubuntu you have some patented software in the r

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout : Why validate software patents ?

2010-12-08 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2010/12/8 Ahmad Samir : > > For Fedora, being the most legally-challenged distro around, they > don't include any patented software in their official repos at all, > not even mp3 playback is possible in a default install. They even > don't include any non-free stuff, so no nVidia and ATI proprietar

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout : Why validate software patents ?

2010-12-08 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 8 December 2010 10:51, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > 2010/12/8 andre999 : >> >> By presenting a special set of repositories for patent-affected software, we >> could be seen as justifying these patent sharks. >> In their minds, why else would be accommodate them ? > > Patented software is a reality

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout : Why validate software patents ?

2010-12-08 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2010/12/8 andre999 : > > By presenting a special set of repositories for patent-affected software, we > could be seen as justifying these patent sharks. > In their minds, why else would be accommodate them ? Patented software is a reality in some countries. You can't discuss it away with logical r