[Mageia-dev] xguest and the display manager

2012-02-20 Thread Païou
Anne Nicolas launched a discussion about display manager. From my part, I try to eliminate good hundred of unwanted packages during a reduced installation (personal desk, without any group of packages, but with X server and with urpmi). Further to Thierry Vignaud's indications and Michael

Re: [Mageia-dev] removal of .la from libxt breaks xpdf build

2012-02-20 Thread D.Morgan
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Funda Wang fundaw...@gmail.com wrote: I guess it is another problem, which has no relationship with lesstif or gcc. a fixed xpdf is on the BS now

Re: [Mageia-dev] xguest and the display manager

2012-02-20 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Le 20/02/2012 11:31, Païou a écrit : Is it necessary to keep xguest? --- I would say that yes, but on the condition of not creating unwanted effects. No. Configuring a user computer should be left to end-user, not to packagers providing 'just click here' blackbox

Re: [Mageia-dev] xguest and the display manager

2012-02-20 Thread Jose Jorge
Le 20/02/2012 11:31, Païou a écrit : Is it necessary to keep xguest? --- I would say that yes, but on the condition of not creating unwanted effects. No. Configuring a user computer should be left to end-user, not to packagers providing 'just click here' blackbox

Re: [Mageia-dev] Qt-based software unusable under XFCE since almost 2 days

2012-02-20 Thread Michael Scherer
Le dimanche 19 février 2012 à 12:19 +, Païou a écrit : Oliver Burger oliver.bgr@... writes: I don't see the reason for this answer. Michael is just trying to make sure, we don't have a unmaintained major DE. Now, some maybe a bit harsh words on the developer mailing list - this is

Re: [Mageia-dev] xguest and the display manager

2012-02-20 Thread Païou
Sorry, but I forgot to specify that the details of the tries can be consulted there: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?Id=3060 attachment 1603

Re: [Mageia-dev] libavformat needs libavfilter needs libavformat

2012-02-20 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 08:58:21AM -0600, Richard Couture wrote: When trying to install libavformat53-0.10-1.mga2.i586.rpm it says: libavfilter.so.2 is needed by libavformat53-0.10-1.mga2.i586 when I try to install libavfilter it says: libavformat.so.53 is needed by

Re: [Mageia-dev] Qt-based software unusable under XFCE since almost 2 days

2012-02-20 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/2/20 Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org: Le dimanche 19 février 2012 à 12:19 +, Païou a écrit : Oliver Burger oliver.bgr@... writes: I don't see the reason for this answer. Michael is just trying to make sure, we don't have a unmaintained major DE. Now, some maybe a bit harsh words on

Re: [Mageia-dev] removal of .la from libxt breaks xpdf build

2012-02-20 Thread David Walser
D.Morgan wrote: On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Funda Wang fundaw...@gmail.com wrote: I guess it is another problem, which has no relationship with lesstif or gcc. a fixed xpdf is on the BS now Thank you D Morgan, Funda Wang, and everyone else that helped along the way. Sometimes it

Re: [Mageia-dev] printer-filter-utils

2012-02-20 Thread David Walser
Florian Hubold wrote: Am 19.02.2012 15:59, schrieb David Walser: Pascal Terjan wrote: I was looking at that package, which is a collection of drivers for some printers, not updated for years It is one of the two packages requiring automake1.4, because of the includeddrv_z42 Looking on

Re: [Mageia-dev] Qt-based software unusable under XFCE since almost 2 days

2012-02-20 Thread Marja van Waes
On 18/02/12 11:55, Michael Scherer wrote: Le samedi 18 février 2012 à 10:33 +0100, Olivier Thauvin a écrit : * Michael Scherer (m...@zarb.org) wrote: Le vendredi 17 février 2012 à 19:18 +0100, Claire Revillet a écrit : Hi, As a second point : there is still no xfce-* maintainer and as many

Re: [Mageia-dev] xguest and the display manager

2012-02-20 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 11:59:02AM +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: No. Configuring a user computer should be left to end-user, not to packagers providing 'just click here' blackbox solutions. Documenting how to achieve the same result manually, and outlining consequences, would be a far better

Re: [Mageia-dev] xguest and the display manager

2012-02-20 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Le 20/02/2012 15:45, Olav Vitters a écrit : On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 11:59:02AM +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: No. Configuring a user computer should be left to end-user, not to packagers providing 'just click here' blackbox solutions. Documenting how to achieve the same result manually, and

Re: [Mageia-dev] xguest and the display manager

2012-02-20 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 11:59 +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: No. Configuring a user computer should be left to end-user, not to packagers providing 'just click here' blackbox solutions. One of the reaons I switched, years ago, away from Debian to Mandrake Linux, was exactly this: debian packages

Re: [Mageia-dev] xguest and the display manager

2012-02-20 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/2/20 Guillaume Rousse guillomovi...@gmail.com: Le 20/02/2012 15:45, Olav Vitters a écrit : On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 11:59:02AM +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: No. Configuring a user computer should be left to end-user, not to packagers providing 'just click here' blackbox solutions.

Re: [Mageia-dev] xguest and the display manager

2012-02-20 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 04:01:46PM +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: In order to have a 'guest user', which usually means a passwordless user, you don't need any additional software, you just need to configure your computer. Hence my point than using a package to automatically performing those

Re: [Mageia-dev] xguest and the display manager

2012-02-20 Thread John Balcaen
2012/2/20 Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl: [...]. I agree that you don't want a package. But no problem with a checkbox somewhere which does the right thing (configuring, etc). I think the System Settings in GNOME allows you to easily setup a new account, so IMO, functionality is not needed.. In

Re: [Mageia-dev] xguest and the display manager

2012-02-20 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/2/20 Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl: On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 04:01:46PM +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: In order to have a 'guest user', which usually means a passwordless user, you don't need any additional software, you just need to configure your computer. Hence my point than using a

Re: [Mageia-dev] xguest and the display manager

2012-02-20 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/2/20 John Balcaen mik...@mageia.org: 2012/2/20 Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl: [...]. I agree that you don't want a package. But no problem with a checkbox somewhere which does the right thing (configuring, etc). I think the System Settings in GNOME allows you to easily setup a new

Re: [Mageia-dev] xguest and the display manager

2012-02-20 Thread Thomas Backlund
Olav Vitters skrev 20.2.2012 17:30: On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 04:01:46PM +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: In order to have a 'guest user', which usually means a passwordless user, you don't need any additional software, you just need to configure your computer. Hence my point than using a package

Re: [Mageia-dev] xguest and the display manager

2012-02-20 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 05:03:29PM +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: BTW: I often expressed my annoyance to see system wide settings being handled in a DE dependent tool (like this user account setting in Gnome) while there is a tool with the same function/task in MCC. A DE System Settings should

Re: [Mageia-dev] xguest and the display manager

2012-02-20 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/2/20 Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl: On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 05:03:29PM +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: BTW: I often expressed my annoyance to see system wide settings being handled in a DE dependent tool (like this user account setting in Gnome) while there is a tool with the same

[Mageia-dev] package default settings question

2012-02-20 Thread Lev Givon
See https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3358#c3 Anyone care to comment? L.G.

[Mageia-dev] Wifi not working anymore

2012-02-20 Thread Olivier Thauvin
Hello here, Saturday I was connected to internet using wifi when I decided to update my cauldron, so I typed urpmi --auto-update During the update I got disconnected from wifi and I am unable to connect to any wifi anymore (wifi I am used: at home, my android phone, etc.). Does anyone have

Re: [Mageia-dev] Wifi not working anymore

2012-02-20 Thread zezinho
Le lundi 20 février 2012 21:01:07, Olivier Thauvin a écrit : Hello here, During the update I got disconnected from wifi and I am unable to connect to any wifi anymore (wifi I am used: at home, my android phone, etc.). Does anyone have notice the same things ? I had the same problem

Re: [Mageia-dev] Wifi not working anymore

2012-02-20 Thread Olivier Thauvin
* zezinho (lists.jjo...@free.fr) wrote: Le lundi 20 février 2012 21:01:07, Olivier Thauvin a écrit : Hello here, During the update I got disconnected from wifi and I am unable to connect to any wifi anymore (wifi I am used: at home, my android phone, etc.). Does anyone have notice

Re: [Mageia-dev] xguest and the display manager

2012-02-20 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 05:49:49PM +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: 2012/2/20 Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl: I have the GNOME view on the world: why have distribution specific tools if you can configure it from GNOME itself. That said, GNOME usually focusses on the very basic options. Oh

Re: [Mageia-dev] New Dracut: Please test

2012-02-20 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Johnny A. Solbu at 19/02/12 02:13 did gyre and gimble: On Thursday 16 February 2012 15:51, Colin Guthrie wrote: Can someone who can still boot (i.e. into older kernel) post a log of the dracut command and the output from lsinitrd on the resulting image?

Re: [Mageia-dev] Wifi not working anymore

2012-02-20 Thread Olivier Thauvin
* Olivier Thauvin (nanar...@nanardon.zarb.org) wrote: * zezinho (lists.jjo...@free.fr) wrote: Le lundi 20 février 2012 21:01:07, Olivier Thauvin a écrit : Hello here, During the update I got disconnected from wifi and I am unable to connect to any wifi anymore (wifi I am used: at home,

Re: [Mageia-dev] New Dracut: Please test

2012-02-20 Thread Johnny A. Solbu
On Monday 20 February 2012 22:45, Colin Guthrie wrote: Can you reliably reproduce this broken initrd (i.e. get the same results from your lsinitrd-broken.txt? And just how do I do that? I got this problem simply by running urpmi --auto-update and rebooted. I've had several reports about this

[Mageia-dev] hicolor-icon-theme question

2012-02-20 Thread Kamil Rytarowski
Hello! I can see in some packages that hicolor-icon-theme is required, build-required, suggested or even Required(post). This is due to the files in the hicolor directory. What is the right policy of using this package? Is it really needed? Some examples below:

[Mageia-dev] icewm package re-organize?

2012-02-20 Thread You-Cheng Hsieh
Hello, I want to propose an idea for icewm packaging: Currently, the icewm source package builds icewm-light, icewm, icewm-gnome. But the themes and all locale files are included in the icewm package. Even though icewm is already small, I still think it can be better organized. How about: -

Re: [Mageia-dev] icewm package re-organize?

2012-02-20 Thread John Bowden
On Tuesday 21 Feb 2012 01:53:21 You-Cheng Hsieh wrote: Hello, I want to propose an idea for icewm packaging: Currently, the icewm source package builds icewm-light, icewm, icewm-gnome. But the themes and all locale files are included in the icewm package. Even though icewm is already

Re: [Mageia-dev] icewm package re-organize?

2012-02-20 Thread Kamil Rytarowski
On 21.02.2012 02:53, You-Cheng Hsieh wrote: Hello, Hi! How about: - Pack all themes in icewm into one icewm-themes and pack all locales into one icewm-i18n package. OR - Pack each theme as a single package icewm-theme-%themename, and have a icewm-theme to install all themes. I just did it

Re: [Mageia-dev] icewm package re-organize?

2012-02-20 Thread Anssi Hannula
21.02.2012 03:53, You-Cheng Hsieh kirjoitti: Hello, I want to propose an idea for icewm packaging: Currently, the icewm source package builds icewm-light, icewm, icewm-gnome. But the themes and all locale files are included in the icewm package. Even though icewm is already small, I still