Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd

2011-07-17 Thread Michael Scherer
Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 à 16:37 +0200, Olivier Blin a écrit : Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org writes: People on Fedora list were quite reluctant to changes ( to say the least ), and I am pretty sure that someone will hit a unrelated corner case in the last minute. Rtp was not really fond

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd

2011-07-16 Thread Christiaan Welvaart
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011, D.Morgan wrote: On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 15/07/11 11:01 did gyre and gimble: Now that it's compiled, I need to test it :D Well it boots. And I have network connections! I have a

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd

2011-07-16 Thread Olivier Blin
Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org writes: People on Fedora list were quite reluctant to changes ( to say the least ), and I am pretty sure that someone will hit a unrelated corner case in the last minute. Rtp was not really fond of systemd on arm and embedded system either. Do you have more

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd

2011-07-15 Thread Christiaan Welvaart
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011, Eugeni Dodonov wrote: On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 20:08, Olivier Blin mag...@blino.org wrote: Option 2 seems good as well, but does it really have to uninstall sysvinit? Isn't it enough to put some alternatives symlinks for /sbin/init? This is actually a great idea! A

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd

2011-07-15 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Eugeni Dodonov at 14/07/11 23:40 did gyre and gimble: On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 18:26, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie mailto:mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: Systemd 30 is out, with lots of nice changes, so I think we should use it now as we are quite early in the

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd

2011-07-15 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 15/07/11 11:01 did gyre and gimble: Now that it's compiled, I need to test it :D Well it boots. And I have network connections! I have a problem where bluetoothd does not start but I'll solve that one at some point (it was a problem when I last used systemd

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd

2011-07-15 Thread D.Morgan
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 15/07/11 11:01 did gyre and gimble: Now that it's compiled, I need to test it :D Well it boots. And I have network connections! I have a problem where bluetoothd does not start but

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd

2011-07-15 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 à 22:47 -0300, Eugeni Dodonov a écrit : Almost finally, should the systemd files belong to the main package, the same way as they do with initscripts-based one (e.g., the package would provide /lib/systemd/system/%{name}.service together with

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd

2011-07-14 Thread Christiaan Welvaart
On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Eugeni Dodonov wrote: Firstly, systemdrequires udev = 172, what is the policy to update it? According to 'mgarepo maintdb get udev', it has no maintainers, does anyone objects if I grab/update it as well? Since you volunteered, could you take a look at:

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd

2011-07-14 Thread Eugeni Dodonov
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 06:25, Christiaan Welvaart c...@daneel.dyndns.orgwrote: On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Eugeni Dodonov wrote: Firstly, systemdrequires udev = 172, what is the policy to update it? According to 'mgarepo maintdb get udev', it has no maintainers, does anyone objects if I

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd

2011-07-14 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Eugeni Dodonov at 14/07/11 02:47 did gyre and gimble: On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 09:48, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie mailto:mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Eugeni Dodonov at 12/07/11 13:15 did gyre and gimble: If nobody objects, I could help

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd

2011-07-14 Thread Eugeni Dodonov
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 18:26, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: Systemd 30 is out, with lots of nice changes, so I think we should use it now as we are quite early in the release cycle. It is working on my machine, but before doing something about it, I prefer to hear opinions

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd

2011-07-14 Thread JA Magallón
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 22:26:37 +0100, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: And finally, what does seems to be the best way of starting to use systemd in cauldron? I have thought on 3 alternatives: - easy way, only having it packaged, but not providing/obsoleting/conflicting with

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd

2011-07-14 Thread Eugeni Dodonov
2011/7/14 JA Magallón jamagal...@ono.com As a side note, this reminds me of the mix of ifplugd and networkmanager. This was a point I wanted to throw in MGA2 specs: migrate completely to networkmanager and ditch net_applet and traditional network scripts. NetworkManger is the only sane way

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd

2011-07-14 Thread Olivier Blin
Eugeni Dodonov eug...@dodonov.net writes: 2011/7/14 JA Magallón jamagal...@ono.com As a side note, this reminds me of the mix of ifplugd and networkmanager. This was a point I wanted to throw in MGA2 specs: migrate completely to networkmanager and ditch net_applet and traditional network

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd

2011-07-14 Thread Eugeni Dodonov
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 20:04, Olivier Blin mag...@blino.org wrote: Eugeni Dodonov eug...@dodonov.net writes: 2011/7/14 JA Magallón jamagal...@ono.com As a side note, this reminds me of the mix of ifplugd and networkmanager. This was a point I wanted to throw in MGA2 specs: migrate

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd

2011-07-14 Thread Olivier Blin
Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie writes: Secondly, what should be the correct way of supporting systemd in a package? In Mandriva, I thought on adding a --with flag to enable/disable systemd, but in most cases it does (almost) nothing. All services which want to support systemd only need

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd

2011-07-14 Thread Eugeni Dodonov
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 20:08, Olivier Blin mag...@blino.org wrote: Option 2 seems good as well, but does it really have to uninstall sysvinit? Isn't it enough to put some alternatives symlinks for /sbin/init? This is actually a great idea! A perfect candidate for update-alternatives,

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd

2011-07-14 Thread Eugeni Dodonov
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 20:37, Balcaen John mik...@mageia.org wrote: On Thursday 14 July 2011 20:08:17 Eugeni Dodonov wrote: [...] This is how they work now, except that in mageia networkmanager uses keyfile plugin instead of networkmanager-mdv (which is a bit outdated at the moment)

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd

2011-07-13 Thread Eugeni Dodonov
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 09:48, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Eugeni Dodonov at 12/07/11 13:15 did gyre and gimble: If nobody objects, I could help with that. Mandriva certainly gave a large experience on how to integrate systemd into the system without

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd

2011-07-13 Thread Eugeni Dodonov
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 22:47, Eugeni Dodonov eug...@dodonov.net wrote: Firstly, systemdrequires udev = 172, what is the policy to update it? According to 'mgarepo maintdb get udev', it has no maintainers, does anyone objects if I grab/update it as well? (I forgot to mention that it is

[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd

2011-07-12 Thread Anne nicolas
Hi there Following discussion about technical specifications, here is an interesting item: systemd Bug report to follow discussion and history: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2120 We need points of view, the way we could integrate it if we decide to go, planning (I guess it would need

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd

2011-07-12 Thread Eugeni Dodonov
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 09:11, Anne nicolas enn...@mageia.org wrote: Hi there Following discussion about technical specifications, here is an interesting item: systemd Bug report to follow discussion and history: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2120 We need points of view, the way

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd

2011-07-12 Thread Dexter Morgan
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Eugeni Dodonov eug...@dodonov.net wrote: On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 09:11, Anne nicolas enn...@mageia.org wrote: Hi there Following discussion about technical specifications, here is an interesting item: systemd Bug report to follow discussion and history:

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd

2011-07-12 Thread Balcaen John
On Tuesday 12 July 2011 09:15:18 Eugeni Dodonov wrote: [...] Comments, proposals, shout ? If nobody objects, I could help with that. Mandriva certainly gave a large experience on how to integrate systemd into the system without killing traditional sysvinit alternative. I don't have any

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd

2011-07-12 Thread Eugeni Dodonov
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 09:38, Balcaen John mik...@mageia.org wrote: On Tuesday 12 July 2011 09:15:18 Eugeni Dodonov wrote: [...] Comments, proposals, shout ? If nobody objects, I could help with that. Mandriva certainly gave a large experience on how to integrate systemd into the

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd

2011-07-12 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Eugeni Dodonov at 12/07/11 13:15 did gyre and gimble: If nobody objects, I could help with that. Mandriva certainly gave a large experience on how to integrate systemd into the system without killing traditional sysvinit alternative. It would also be extremely interested