Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] Moving various packages/codecs to tainted

2012-01-14 Thread Anssi Hannula
On 10.01.2012 05:20, Anssi Hannula wrote: Linux Mint provides a No codecs CD: http://www.linuxmint.com/download.php Ubuntu has a patent policy (which basically IIRC says rights owner or packager, please contact us if you think there is an infringement, we will investgate):

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] Moving various packages/codecs to tainted

2012-01-13 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op donderdag 12 januari 2012 02:32:41 schreef Anssi Hannula: On 11.01.2012 16:01, Pascal Terjan wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:56, Anssi Hannula an...@mageia.org wrote: On 10.01.2012 15:07, Pascal Terjan wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 03:20, Anssi Hannula an...@mageia.org wrote: The

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] Moving various packages/codecs to tainted

2012-01-11 Thread Pascal Terjan
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:56, Anssi Hannula an...@mageia.org wrote: On 10.01.2012 15:07, Pascal Terjan wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 03:20, Anssi Hannula an...@mageia.org wrote: The problem is that that balance was achieved by sticking packages in PLF/main/contrib semi-randomly. For example,

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] Moving various packages/codecs to tainted

2012-01-11 Thread Anssi Hannula
On 11.01.2012 16:01, Pascal Terjan wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:56, Anssi Hannula an...@mageia.org wrote: On 10.01.2012 15:07, Pascal Terjan wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 03:20, Anssi Hannula an...@mageia.org wrote: The problem is that that balance was achieved by sticking packages in

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] Moving various packages/codecs to tainted

2012-01-11 Thread David Walser
andre999 wrote: We're talking about codecs, essentially the decoders which are used to read encoded files. If the patent claims are valid/enforceable (and most aren't), it is up to the patent holder to decide if it is in their interest to enforce the patent claims. Since they will

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] Moving various packages/codecs to tainted

2012-01-11 Thread Dan Fandrich
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 09:23:20PM -0500, David Walser wrote: andre999 wrote: However I do agree that we should put encoders that seem to be covered by valid patents in some countries in tainted. If we really want a hard and fast rule, I agree that this makes the most sense. If you

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] Moving various packages/codecs to tainted

2012-01-10 Thread Pascal Terjan
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 03:20, Anssi Hannula an...@mageia.org wrote: The problem is that that balance was achieved by sticking packages in PLF/main/contrib semi-randomly. For example, H.264 decoders and MPEG-4 video encoders are in main/core, while e.g. AAC audio decoders are in PLF/tainted.

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] Moving various packages/codecs to tainted

2012-01-10 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op dinsdag 10 januari 2012 14:07:17 schreef Pascal Terjan: [...] I agree with pterjan on this

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] Moving various packages/codecs to tainted

2012-01-10 Thread Michael Scherer
Le lundi 09 janvier 2012 à 21:08 -0500, David Walser a écrit : Sure, I but I think Mandriva achieved a good balance between respecting patents and not being overly paranoid. I suppose you can't blame a US company like RedHat for being overly paranoid, but as you said, Mandriva hasn't

[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Moving various packages/codecs to tainted

2012-01-09 Thread Anssi Hannula
Hi all! As I've noted in some previous emails, our core/tainted media codec split-up is currently arbitrary without any specific logic. As far as I remember, the tainted policy is that codecs for formats that are claimed to be covered by patents should be there. Per that policy, at least the

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] Moving various packages/codecs to tainted

2012-01-09 Thread David Walser
Anssi Hannula wrote: Hi all! As I've noted in some previous emails, our core/tainted media codec split-up is currently arbitrary without any specific logic. As far as I remember, the tainted policy is that codecs for formats that are claimed to be covered by patents should be there.

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] Moving various packages/codecs to tainted

2012-01-09 Thread Anssi Hannula
On 10.01.2012 01:30, David Walser wrote: Anssi Hannula wrote: Hi all! As I've noted in some previous emails, our core/tainted media codec split-up is currently arbitrary without any specific logic. As far as I remember, the tainted policy is that codecs for formats that are claimed to be

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] Moving various packages/codecs to tainted

2012-01-09 Thread Juan Luis Baptiste
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Anssi Hannula an...@mageia.org wrote: I'm absolutely fine with either moving codecs to core or tainted, as long as we are at least somewhat consistent in what is in core and what is in tainted. However, I do not really like the reasoning we do it like mandriva

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] Moving various packages/codecs to tainted

2012-01-09 Thread David Walser
Anssi Hannula wrote: On 10.01.2012 01:30, David Walser wrote: Anssi Hannula wrote: Hi all! As I've noted in some previous emails, our core/tainted media codec split-up is currently arbitrary without any specific logic. As far as I remember, the tainted policy is that codecs for formats

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] Moving various packages/codecs to tainted

2012-01-09 Thread andre999
Frank Griffin a écrit : On 01/09/2012 06:38 PM, Anssi Hannula wrote: On 10.01.2012 01:30, David Walser wrote: That's the absolute last thing I want to see happen. It's one of the reasons Fedora and others that do that are not viable options for a lot of non-technical users, and it just

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] Moving various packages/codecs to tainted

2012-01-09 Thread andre999
Anssi Hannula a écrit : On 10.01.2012 04:08, David Walser wrote: Anssi Hannula wrote: On 10.01.2012 01:30, David Walser wrote: Anssi Hannula wrote: Hi all! As I've noted in some previous emails, our core/tainted media codec split-up is currently arbitrary without