Am 10.03.2012 22:39, schrieb Maarten Vanraes:
Op zaterdag 10 maart 2012 22:06:09 schreef Florian Hubold:
Am 10.03.2012 14:15, schrieb eatdirt:
On 10/03/12 10:12, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
I have a pentium 66MHz (not MMX)
With the turbo button 33 -> 66 ? Man, that's a proper collector :)
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Op zaterdag 10 maart 2012 22:06:09 schreef Florian Hubold:
> Am 10.03.2012 14:15, schrieb eatdirt:
> > On 10/03/12 10:12, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
> >> I have a pentium 66MHz (not MMX)
> >
> > With the turbo button 33 -> 66 ? Man, that's a proper collector :)
>
> Normally turbo button was only effe
Am 10.03.2012 14:15, schrieb eatdirt:
On 10/03/12 10:12, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
I have a pentium 66MHz (not MMX)
With the turbo button 33 -> 66 ? Man, that's a proper collector :)
Normally turbo button was only effective for 468DX/586DX type
of machines, not for pentium IIRC.
Den 14:15 10. mars 2012 skrev eatdirt følgende:
> On 10/03/12 10:12, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
>
>> I have a pentium 66MHz (not MMX)
With a divide by zero bug? :o)
>>
>
> With the turbo button 33 -> 66 ? Man, that's a proper collector :)
You're confusing with 486. :p
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Per Øyvind
On 10/03/12 10:12, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
I have a pentium 66MHz (not MMX)
With the turbo button 33 -> 66 ? Man, that's a proper collector :)
Op zaterdag 10 maart 2012 08:23:29 schreef zezinho:
> Le vendredi 9 mars 2012 23:56:28, eatdirt a écrit :
> > [got another reason for startx, my pentium 133MHz running mga.1 does not
> > like kdm, even xdm :)]
>
> Ah, I feel less alone (well, Pentium 166 MMX for my side.
I have a pentium 66MHz (n
Le vendredi 9 mars 2012 23:56:28, eatdirt a écrit :
> [got another reason for startx, my pentium 133MHz running mga.1 does not
> like kdm, even xdm :)]
>
Ah, I feel less alone (well, Pentium 166 MMX for my side.
On 09/03/12 00:58, Colin Guthrie wrote:
If no one has a problem, I'll look to include the patch
Well done!
[got another reason for startx, my pentium 133MHz running mga.1 does not
like kdm, even xdm :)]
Thanks!
chris.
'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 07/03/12 09:26 did gyre and gimble:
> Hi,
>
> Unless someone comes along and does a reasonable amount of coding before
> mga2, I think we'll have to deprecate supporting startx (it can still be
> used in some circumstances, but audio and accelerated graphics wil
'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 08/03/12 13:06 did gyre and gimble:
>> Yup! This should have happened earlier (in fact I thought it was already
>> asking you that but with the sysvinit package called just "sysvinit" but
>> it seems we needed to rename it to get urpmi to really do the right t
'Twas brillig, and Pierre Jarillon at 08/03/12 13:58 did gyre and gimble:
> Le jeudi 8 mars 2012 03:08:03, Colin Guthrie a écrit :
>> This is why I give far less credence to "old habits" and "how it's been
>> done in the past" and much more to "what would my mum expect" or "what
>> would a novice c
Le jeudi 8 mars 2012 03:08:03, Colin Guthrie a écrit :
> This is why I give far less credence to "old habits" and "how it's been
> done in the past" and much more to "what would my mum expect" or "what
> would a novice computer user expect".
I understand why you want to remove startx and I agree.
2012/3/8 Colin Guthrie :
> 'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 08/03/12 08:24 did gyre and gimble:
>> 2012/3/8 Colin Guthrie :
>>> 'Twas brillig, and Juan Luis Baptiste at 07/03/12 23:45 did gyre and gimble:
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Colin Guthrie
wrote:
> As I said last ti
'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 08/03/12 08:24 did gyre and gimble:
> 2012/3/8 Colin Guthrie :
>> 'Twas brillig, and Juan Luis Baptiste at 07/03/12 23:45 did gyre and gimble:
>>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
As I said last time to this question, I'd certainly be
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, Charles A Edwards wrote:
On Wed, 07 Mar 2012 22:06:19 +
Colin Guthrie wrote:
The actual use case of using a text login and then starting X is quite
small. Of course some people (like Wobo) do use this but it's
definitely the exception rather than the rule.
You can a
2012/3/8 Colin Guthrie :
> 'Twas brillig, and Juan Luis Baptiste at 07/03/12 23:45 did gyre and gimble:
>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
>>> As I said last time to this question, I'd certainly be extremely annoyed
>>> if mga2 does not default to systemd. I've given up a mass
On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 02:08:03 +
Colin Guthrie wrote:
> > You can also add me to that 'small' list.
>
> You seem unconvinced due to your use of quotes. It's very hard to
> evaluate this kind of thing, but obviously "developery" types are a
> skewed source of information.
I was being faceti
'Twas brillig, and Charles A Edwards at 08/03/12 01:20 did gyre and gimble:
> On Wed, 07 Mar 2012 22:06:19 +
> Colin Guthrie wrote:
>
>> The actual use case of using a text login and then starting X is quite
>> small. Of course some people (like Wobo) do use this but it's
>> definitely the ex
'Twas brillig, and Juan Luis Baptiste at 07/03/12 23:45 did gyre and gimble:
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
>> As I said last time to this question, I'd certainly be extremely annoyed
>> if mga2 does not default to systemd. I've given up a massive amount of
>> my free time
On Wed, 07 Mar 2012 22:06:19 +
Colin Guthrie wrote:
> The actual use case of using a text login and then starting X is quite
> small. Of course some people (like Wobo) do use this but it's
> definitely the exception rather than the rule.
You can also add me to that 'small' list.
Char
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
> As I said last time to this question, I'd certainly be extremely annoyed
> if mga2 does not default to systemd. I've given up a massive amount of
> my free time over this cycle working towards this. I would be massively
> annoyed if this effor
'Twas brillig, and Juan Luis Baptiste at 07/03/12 22:08 did gyre and gimble:
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
>>
>> I apparently missed a few meetings or e-mails where this was discussed, but
>> wasn't the initial plan to keep sysvinit by default in mga2 and switch to
>>
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
>
> I apparently missed a few meetings or e-mails where this was discussed, but
> wasn't the initial plan to keep sysvinit by default in mga2 and switch to
> systemd by default in mga3? Wasn't the switch to systemd by default in
> cauldron a
'Twas brillig, and Samuel Verschelde at 07/03/12 21:34 did gyre and gimble:
> Le mercredi 7 mars 2012 17:56:46, Thomas Backlund a écrit :
>> 07.03.2012 18:20, Colin Guthrie skrev:
>>> No, they will get systemd. We just need to resolve an issue with the
>>> upgrade to make this happen properly (coul
'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 07/03/12 16:56 did gyre and gimble:
> 07.03.2012 18:20, Colin Guthrie skrev:
>>
>> No, they will get systemd. We just need to resolve an issue with the
>> upgrade to make this happen properly (could be a urpmi bug or something
>> similar).
>
> I have now renam
'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 07/03/12 19:41 did gyre and gimble:
> 07.03.2012 21:32, Johnny A. Solbu skrev:
>> On Wednesday 07 March 2012 17:16, Colin Guthrie wrote:
What should we use instead?
>>>
>>> A graphical login agent - i.e gdm, kdm, lxdm etc.
>>
>> In other words, we should n
Op woensdag 07 maart 2012 22:34:50 schreef Samuel Verschelde:
[...]
> I apparently missed a few meetings or e-mails where this was discussed, but
> wasn't the initial plan to keep sysvinit by default in mga2 and switch to
> systemd by default in mga3? Wasn't the switch to systemd by default in
> ca
Le mercredi 7 mars 2012 17:56:46, Thomas Backlund a écrit :
> 07.03.2012 18:20, Colin Guthrie skrev:
> > No, they will get systemd. We just need to resolve an issue with the
> > upgrade to make this happen properly (could be a urpmi bug or something
> > similar).
>
> I have now renamed sysvinit to
07.03.2012 21:32, Johnny A. Solbu skrev:
> On Wednesday 07 March 2012 17:16, Colin Guthrie wrote:
>>> What should we use instead?
>>
>> A graphical login agent - i.e gdm, kdm, lxdm etc.
>
> In other words, we should no longer use runlevel 3 as default?
> There are multiuser systems where running a
On Wednesday 07 March 2012 17:16, Colin Guthrie wrote:
> > What should we use instead?
>
> A graphical login agent - i.e gdm, kdm, lxdm etc.
In other words, we should no longer use runlevel 3 as default?
There are multiuser systems where running a graphical login agent is
undesireable, for whate
07.03.2012 18:20, Colin Guthrie skrev:
>
> No, they will get systemd. We just need to resolve an issue with the
> upgrade to make this happen properly (could be a urpmi bug or something
> similar).
I have now renamed sysvinit to sysvinit-legacy
And both sysvinit-legacy and systemd-sysvinit provi
2012/3/7 Colin Guthrie :
> 'Twas brillig, and Johnny A. Solbu at 07/03/12 13:53 did gyre and gimble:
>> On Wednesday 07 March 2012 10:26, Colin Guthrie wrote:
>>> I think we'll have to deprecate supporting startx
>>
>> What should we use instead?
>
> A graphical login agent - i.e gdm, kdm, lxdm etc
'Twas brillig, and Zézinho at 07/03/12 15:32 did gyre and gimble:
> Em 07-03-2012 10:26, Colin Guthrie escreveu:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Unless someone comes along and does a reasonable amount of coding before
>> mga2, I think we'll have to deprecate supporting startx (it can still be
>> used in some circumst
'Twas brillig, and Johnny A. Solbu at 07/03/12 13:53 did gyre and gimble:
> On Wednesday 07 March 2012 10:26, Colin Guthrie wrote:
>> I think we'll have to deprecate supporting startx
>
> What should we use instead?
A graphical login agent - i.e gdm, kdm, lxdm etc.
Col
--
Colin Guthrie
colin
2012/3/7 Zézinho :
> Em 07-03-2012 10:26, Colin Guthrie escreveu:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Unless someone comes along and does a reasonable amount of coding before
>> mga2, I think we'll have to deprecate supporting startx (it can still be
>> used in some circumstances, but audio and accelerated graphics wi
Em 07-03-2012 10:26, Colin Guthrie escreveu:
Hi,
Unless someone comes along and does a reasonable amount of coding before
mga2, I think we'll have to deprecate supporting startx (it can still be
used in some circumstances, but audio and accelerated graphics will not
be available).
Now I know
'Twas brillig, and Shlomi Fish at 07/03/12 14:09 did gyre and gimble:
> Hello Colin,
>
> On Wed, 07 Mar 2012 11:15:29 +
> Colin Guthrie wrote:
>
>> 'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 07/03/12 10:13 did gyre and gimble:
>>> 2012/3/7 Guillaume Rousse :
Le 07/03/2012 10:26, Colin Guthr
Hello Colin,
On Wed, 07 Mar 2012 11:15:29 +
Colin Guthrie wrote:
> 'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 07/03/12 10:13 did gyre and gimble:
> > 2012/3/7 Guillaume Rousse :
> >> Le 07/03/2012 10:26, Colin Guthrie a écrit :
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> Unless someone comes along and does a re
On Wednesday 07 March 2012 10:26, Colin Guthrie wrote:
> I think we'll have to deprecate supporting startx
What should we use instead?
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2012/3/7 Colin Guthrie :
> 'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 07/03/12 12:02 did gyre and gimble:
>> 2012/3/7 Colin Guthrie :
>>> 'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 07/03/12 10:13 did gyre and gimble:
Different from Guillaume I do care about the impact for the user.
There are
'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 07/03/12 12:02 did gyre and gimble:
> 2012/3/7 Colin Guthrie :
>> 'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 07/03/12 10:13 did gyre and gimble:
>>>
>>> Different from Guillaume I do care about the impact for the user.
>>> There are many out there who are used to
2012/3/7 Colin Guthrie :
> 'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 07/03/12 10:13 did gyre and gimble:
>>
>> Different from Guillaume I do care about the impact for the user.
>> There are many out there who are used to startx and also docs and
>> howtos which use it. Therefore we will need an explan
On 07/03/12 12:12, Colin Guthrie wrote:
You can still debug X but only for an actual X server.
Anyway even when I was maintaining X a few years back, I don't think I
ever started it from the text console. I always used the official
methods for starting X (service dm restart in those days). So
'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 07/03/12 10:13 did gyre and gimble:
> 2012/3/7 Guillaume Rousse :
>> Le 07/03/2012 10:26, Colin Guthrie a écrit :
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Unless someone comes along and does a reasonable amount of coding before
>>> mga2, I think we'll have to deprecate supporting
'Twas brillig, and EatDirt at 07/03/12 10:18 did gyre and gimble:
> On 07/03/12 10:26, Colin Guthrie wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Unless someone comes along and does a reasonable amount of coding before
>> mga2, I think we'll have to deprecate supporting startx (it can still be
>> used in some circumstances
On 07/03/12 10:26, Colin Guthrie wrote:
Hi,
Unless someone comes along and does a reasonable amount of coding before
mga2, I think we'll have to deprecate supporting startx (it can still be
used in some circumstances, but audio and accelerated graphics will not
be available).
See this comment (
2012/3/7 Guillaume Rousse :
> Le 07/03/2012 10:26, Colin Guthrie a écrit :
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Unless someone comes along and does a reasonable amount of coding before
>> mga2, I think we'll have to deprecate supporting startx (it can still be
>> used in some circumstances, but audio and accelerated gr
Am 07.03.2012 11:05, schrieb Guillaume Rousse:
Le 07/03/2012 10:26, Colin Guthrie a écrit :
Hi,
Unless someone comes along and does a reasonable amount of coding before
mga2, I think we'll have to deprecate supporting startx (it can still be
used in some circumstances, but audio and accelerated
On 7 March 2012 11:05, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
>> Unless someone comes along and does a reasonable amount of coding before
>> mga2, I think we'll have to deprecate supporting startx (it can still be
>> used in some circumstances, but audio and accelerated graphics will not
>> be available).
>>
>>
Le 07/03/2012 10:26, Colin Guthrie a écrit :
Hi,
Unless someone comes along and does a reasonable amount of coding before
mga2, I think we'll have to deprecate supporting startx (it can still be
used in some circumstances, but audio and accelerated graphics will not
be available).
See this comm
Hi,
Unless someone comes along and does a reasonable amount of coding before
mga2, I think we'll have to deprecate supporting startx (it can still be
used in some circumstances, but audio and accelerated graphics will not
be available).
See this comment (and the link therein) for more info on the
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