Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 20:22:01, Michael Scherer a écrit :
Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 à 18:02 +0300, Anssi Hannula a écrit :
Hi all!
Do people have any thoughts on what kind of repository/media sectioning we
should use on Mageia, and what should those sections contain?
Note
Re,
2010/10/15 Frank Griffin f...@roadrunner.com
Tux99 wrote:
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
As mirror maintainer/owner of Mandriva Linux and future Mageia
(ftp.mandrivauser.de) I discussed this problem with my friends and we
decided not to mirror PLF although a German
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 07:43, Olivier Méjean omej...@yahoo.fr wrote:
Le vendredi 15 octobre 2010 01:18:37, Michael scherer a écrit :
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 09:57:03PM +0200, Olivier Méjean wrote:
Since the only people who will have issue with this are the president ( aka
Anne ) and the
Michael scherer kirjoitti perjantai, 15. lokakuuta 2010 02:18:37:
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 09:57:03PM +0200, Olivier Méjean wrote:
then French law is the law we have to consider for Mageia. Debian runs
under SPI organization located in the state of New York, USA, thus is
ruled by US Laws.
Hello list :)
I now it's impossible to stop discussion for me, so i could only post my
personnal point of view.
First:
I am Libre software user.
I am pragmatic.
Then :
Please not use any non-free (as libre) software into Mageia distribution or
repository. Never.
There is, however, a very strict
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010, yvan munoz wrote:
I think all non-free could be supported directly by users and accessibles
through users repo. Not in (only one please) Mageia Repo. And Users Repo
could contains drivers, patent-troll techno, flash, etc, in additon with
more classicals softwares into
2010/10/15 Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org
I agree.
it is a misuse of the word user.
2010/10/15 Anssi Hannula anssi.hann...@iki.fi:
Seems sensible to ask the mirror owners. It is possible some of them have not
been aware of the problem at all, so I think we should make sure they
understand that Ubuntu, Debian, Arch, etc. also contain patented technologies
(to avoid the
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
As mirror maintainer/owner of Mandriva Linux and future Mageia
(ftp.mandrivauser.de) I discussed this problem with my friends and we
decided not to mirror PLF although a German university does
(ftp.gwdg.de). The point is that our mirror is hosted
Tux99 wrote:
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
As mirror maintainer/owner of Mandriva Linux and future Mageia
(ftp.mandrivauser.de) I discussed this problem with my friends and we
decided not to mirror PLF although a German university does
(ftp.gwdg.de). The point is that our
Le 2010-10-15 07:42, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
2010/10/15 Anssi Hannulaanssi.hann...@iki.fi:
Seems sensible to ask the mirror owners. It is possible some of them have not
been aware of the problem at all, so I think we should make sure they
understand that Ubuntu, Debian, Arch, etc. also
Michael Scherer kirjoitti:
Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 à 20:06 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit :
Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 19:31:44, Michael Scherer a écrit :
Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 à 17:53 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit :
== And DVDCSS, etc?
What's in etc ?
However, here
Anssi Hannula kirjoitti torstai, 14. lokakuuta 2010 11:07:04:
Michael Scherer kirjoitti:
Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 à 20:06 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit :
Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 19:31:44, Michael Scherer a écrit :
Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 à 17:53 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit
On Wednesday 13 October 2010 20:54:45 Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:
About codecs Codeina will be available in Mageia ? I find it very
comfortable for new and advanced users.
Yes. It is available on Mandriva and I don't see any reason to drop it from
Mageia.
--
Anssi Hannula
On 14 October 2010 17:04, Anssi Hannula anssi.hann...@iki.fi wrote:
On Wednesday 13 October 2010 20:54:45 Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:
About codecs Codeina will be available in Mageia ? I find it very
comfortable for new and advanced users.
Yes. It is available on Mandriva and I don't see
Le 2010-10-14 11:02, Anssi Hannula a écrit :
On Wednesday 13 October 2010 14:29:14 Marc Paré wrote:
Le 2010-10-13 14:23, Michael Scherer a écrit :
Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 à 20:06 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit :
Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 19:31:44, Michael Scherer a écrit :
Le mardi 12
Le 2010-10-14 12:08, Ahmad Samir a écrit :
On 14 October 2010 17:04, Anssi Hannulaanssi.hann...@iki.fi wrote:
On Wednesday 13 October 2010 20:54:45 Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:
About codecs Codeina will be available in Mageia ? I find it very
comfortable for new and advanced users.
Yes.
Questions about patents is related to which law applies to Mageia. No answers
to which law then no clear policy can be applied.
For me, since Mageia.org will lead the project (and will own Mageia
trademarks) is located in France, since build system of Mageia will be in
France then French law
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 09:57:03PM +0200, Olivier Méjean wrote:
Le jeudi 14 octobre 2010 20:55:01, Anssi Hannula a écrit :
On Wednesday 13 October 2010 20:22:01 Michael Scherer wrote:
Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 à 18:02 +0300, Anssi Hannula a écrit :
Hi all!
Do people have any
2010/10/14 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com:
So, it sounds to me, that a core group individual, should, as an official
representative of the Mageia project, approach these organisations and FSF
to check and to get advice/opinons. Just to make sure.
Although I may not speak as an official Mageia
Le 2010-10-14 21:55, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
2010/10/14 Marc Parém...@marcpare.com:
So, it sounds to me, that a core group individual, should, as an official
representative of the Mageia project, approach these organisations and FSF
to check and to get advice/opinons. Just to make sure.
Le 13/10/2010 04:04, Tux99 a écrit :
Regardless of all that, it is ALWAYS the user's (not the distro makers)
responsibility to comply with local laws of where the distro is being
installed/used
In fact, if you make a distro law compliant with all countries and tell
that to users, you can open
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 06:50, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
Let the user then assume that responsibility/liability.
This is where, I consider the easy urpmi served its purpose well. It
installed repos where the available software that most users would need was
made available, but this
On 13 October 2010 15:34, Olivier Méjean omej...@yahoo.fr wrote:
Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 10:19:17, Buchan Milne a écrit :
On Tuesday, 12 October 2010 17:52:58 Tux99 wrote:
Quote: marc wrote on Tue, 12 October 2010 18:42
Unfortunately, if this is done, I will no longer be able to
On 13 October 2010 16:29, Olivier Méjean omej...@yahoo.fr wrote:
So companies, universities in USA provide softwares that we are here
discussing if we can ship or not (and i don't want to insist, but Mageia.org
is not located in USA). Maybe they are more aware of laws than we are, or are
they
Romain d'Alverny a écrit :
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 06:50, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com wrote:
Let the user then assume that responsibility/liability.
This is where, I consider the easy urpmi served its purpose well. It
installed repos where the available software that most users would need
Le 2010-10-13 10:49, andré a écrit :
Tux99 a écrit :
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010, [UTF-8] Marc Paré wrote:
Le 2010-10-12 22:04, Tux99 a écrit :
According to your logic that would mean we can't include ssh,
openssl, pgp,
and even https support in any browser.
Does that seems reasonable to you?
You
Le 2010-10-13 10:58, Olivier Méjean a écrit :
Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 16:49:35, Marc Paré a écrit :
Le 2010-10-13 10:29, Olivier Méjean a écrit :
Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 15:44:27, Sinner from the Prairy a écrit :
Marc Paré wrote:
I think pre-selected Country installs would just
Am 12.10.2010 17:02, schrieb Anssi Hannula:
Hi all!
Do people have any thoughts on what kind of repository/media sectioning we
should use on Mageia, and what should those sections contain?
My 2 cents:
Generally i would like to avoid a seperation like main/contrib in mandriva,
but it would be
2010/10/13 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com:
Yes, I have always seen this as a communication problem from the Mandriva
documentation. However, it did fit the at arm's length legal definition of
the installation of these pieces of software. That is to mean that Mandriva,
in this case, was not
Le 2010-10-13 13:04, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
2010/10/13 Marc Parém...@marcpare.com:
Yes, I have always seen this as a communication problem from the Mandriva
documentation. However, it did fit the at arm's length legal definition of
the installation of these pieces of software. That is to
Am 13.10.2010 19:04, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
The same can be done with all that codec stuff. A window opens,
telling the user that he will need some special software to listen to
MP3s, watch his commercial DVDs, etc. The text explains in simple
words the legal implications which may or may
Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 à 18:02 +0300, Anssi Hannula a écrit :
Hi all!
Do people have any thoughts on what kind of repository/media sectioning we
should use on Mageia, and what should those sections contain?
Note that I won't talk about backports / private repositories in this post,
Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 à 20:06 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit :
Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 19:31:44, Michael Scherer a écrit :
Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 à 17:53 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit :
== And DVDCSS, etc?
What's in etc ?
However, here in France we have a law Dadvsi on
Le 2010-10-13 14:23, Michael Scherer a écrit :
Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 à 20:06 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit :
Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 19:31:44, Michael Scherer a écrit :
Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 à 17:53 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit :
== And DVDCSS, etc?
What's in etc ?
However,
Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 à 14:29 -0400, Marc Paré a écrit :
Le 2010-10-13 14:23, Michael Scherer a écrit :
Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 à 20:06 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit :
Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 19:31:44, Michael Scherer a écrit :
Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 à 17:53 +0200, Olivier
Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
It's easy to communicate, it's easy to implement fitting even those
dumb users some people are talking about. Yesterday I installed the
new Ubuntu 10.10, a window opened near the end of the installation
process telling me that my hardware may need/use a non-free driver
Michael Scherer wrote:
So I assume that you volunteer to find another Tier 1 mirror to replace
ibiblio.org ?
I'm pretty sure ibiblio.org will host Mageia mirror.
Salut,
Sinner
About codecs Codeina will be available in Mageia ? I find it very
comfortable for new and advanced users.
--
Dimitrios Glentadakis
Le 2010-10-13 14:44, Sinner from the Prairy a écrit :
Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
It's easy to communicate, it's easy to implement fitting even those
dumb users some people are talking about. Yesterday I installed the
new Ubuntu 10.10, a window opened near the end of the installation
process
I was actually going to approach a university in Canada this week about
mirroring but I think I will wait till this is sorted out. I don't
believe I could convince them if they read this thread. They would most
definitely have second thoughts.
Well, then you can simply be clear with them and
Hi all!
Do people have any thoughts on what kind of repository/media sectioning we
should use on Mageia, and what should those sections contain?
Note that I won't talk about backports / private repositories in this post,
only about the basic sectioning and packages in those.
Some points to
On 12 October 2010 17:53, Olivier Méjean omej...@yahoo.fr wrote:
Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 17:02:38, Anssi Hannula a écrit :
Hi all!
== What about patents?
Software Patents are allowed or not according to the country. Here in France,
where Mageia.org, the association is based, the rule is
On 12 October 2010 18:11, Olivier Méjean omej...@yahoo.fr wrote:
Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 18:07:08, Ahmad Samir a écrit :
On 12 October 2010 17:53, Olivier Méjean omej...@yahoo.fr wrote:
Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 17:02:38, Anssi Hannula a écrit :
Hi all!
== What about patents?
On 10/10/12 18:02 +0300, Anssi Hannula wrote:
Do people have any thoughts on what kind of repository/media sectioning we
should use on Mageia, and what should those sections contain?
== Do we want a separated core repository?
No separated core: Fedora, Debian, Opensuse
Separated core:
Quote: Ahmad Samir wrote on Tue, 12 October 2010 18:07
Mageia won't be installed only in France; those patents still apply in
other countries so not all patent restrictions can be dropped.
Nobody know the laws of every country in the world.
Just because some software might be covered by
Le 12/10/2010 18:11, Olivier Méjean a écrit :
Mageia won't be installed only in France; those patents still apply in
other countries so not all patent restrictions can be dropped.
And going that way you will have to drop each software that will break a law
in a country ...
Olivier
Hi,
+1
Le 12/10/2010 18:19, Tux99 a écrit :
I think Mageia should include as much multimedia codecs as possible, it the
user's responsibility to know the laws of his/her country and if necessary
uninstall anything unlicensed/illegal in his/her country.
Not only multimedia but drivers too ... in my
Le 2010-10-12 12:21, Lucien-Henry Horvath a écrit :
Le 12/10/2010 18:19, Tux99 a écrit :
I think Mageia should include as much multimedia codecs as possible,
it the
user's responsibility to know the laws of his/her country and if
necessary
uninstall anything unlicensed/illegal in his/her
Quote: marc wrote on Tue, 12 October 2010 18:42
Unfortunately, if this is done, I will no longer be able to install
legally any Mageia due to our laws. I think it is best if these are not
installed but let users know where to get them, mostly through PLF.
How do you expect Mageia to
Quote: Ahmad Samir wrote on Tue, 12 October 2010 19:08
How do you think packages were done in Mandriva (and other distros)
all those years?
Mandriva was a commercial company with ambitions to sell it's products
commercial all over the world, that's a completely different situation to
Op dinsdag 12 oktober 2010 17:02:38 schreef Anssi Hannula:
Hi all!
Do people have any thoughts on what kind of repository/media sectioning we
should use on Mageia, and what should those sections contain?
Note that I won't talk about backports / private repositories in this post,
only
Op dinsdag 12 oktober 2010 18:07:08 schreef Ahmad Samir:
On 12 October 2010 17:53, Olivier Méjean omej...@yahoo.fr wrote:
Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 17:02:38, Anssi Hannula a écrit :
Hi all!
== What about patents?
Software Patents are allowed or not according to the country. Here in
Le 12/10/2010 19:31, Marc Paré a écrit :
Hi Lucien, this is not directed to you but to the discussion on this
thread:
No problem for me ;-)
There was actually nothing wrong with the Mandriva treatment of repos.
It clearly satisfied everyone's expectation of their installation. It
became a
2010/10/12 Olivier Méjean omej...@yahoo.fr:
Free and non-free is pretty simple, once we have agreed on what's free and
what's not !
For example, Lame is a free software (GPL) but i may not be free according to
patents if software patents are legal and it depends on the country.
Yes, but
2010/10/12 Olivier Méjean omej...@yahoo.fr:
Maybe a workaround would be to use timezone to determine the country and for
some country disable the installation of codec and other nice things.
Ah, Olivier, grab that ball with all those colors and a light bulb
inside (aka Globe) and just see
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 06:02:38PM +0300, Anssi Hannula wrote:
== Do we want a separated core repository?
No separated core: Fedora, Debian, Opensuse
Separated core: Mandriva (main), Ubuntu (main), Arch (Core)
i think so, main+contrib is about 20G and some stuff is not really
maintained.
==
On Tuesday 12 October 2010 17:34:34 Thierry Vignaud wrote:
On 12 October 2010 17:02, Anssi Hannula anssi.hann...@iki.fi wrote:
Restrictions:
- packages can only depend or builddepend on packages in main itself
- packages need to have an open source license
o unwritten exception:
On Tuesday 12 October 2010 18:18:41 Jerome Quelin wrote:
On 10/10/12 18:02 +0300, Anssi Hannula wrote:
Do people have any thoughts on what kind of repository/media sectioning
we should use on Mageia, and what should those sections contain?
== Do we want a separated core repository?
On Tuesday 12 October 2010 13:31:21 Marc Paré wrote:
There was actually nothing wrong with the Mandriva treatment of repos.
It clearly satisfied everyone's expectation of their installation. It
became a matter of user choice. By installing, by default, non-licensed
software you are not giving
On Tuesday 12 October 2010 12:42:55 Marc Paré wrote:
Le 2010-10-12 12:21, Lucien-Henry Horvath a écrit :
Le 12/10/2010 18:19, Tux99 a écrit :
I think Mageia should include as much multimedia codecs as possible,
it the
user's responsibility to know the laws of his/her country and if
Quote: marc wrote on Tue, 12 October 2010 19:31
The safest route is to offer FOSS software (they are well known and
many
have had their code audited) and leave the fringe softs on a repo
that
is left to the users' choice as install.
Marc, FOSS has nothing to do with whether a particular
Le 2010-10-12 17:45, Tux99 a écrit :
Quote: marc wrote on Tue, 12 October 2010 19:31
The safest route is to offer FOSS software (they are well known and
many
have had their code audited) and leave the fringe softs on a repo
that
is left to the users' choice as install.
Marc, FOSS has
On Tue, 12 Oct 2010, [UTF-8] Marc Paré wrote:
http://www.riaa.com/faq.php
http://newteevee.com/2010/05/21/mpeg-la-threatens-googles-vp8-with-patent-pool-license/
http://thresq.hollywoodreporter.com/2010/03/new-litigation-campaign-targets-tens-of-thousands-of-bittorrent-users.html
Marc, just as a further point to reflect on:
there are countries in the world were encryption is illegal or severely
restricted.
According to your logic that would mean we can't include ssh, openssl, pgp,
and even https support in any browser.
Does that seems reasonable to you?
You need to
Le 2010-10-12 22:04, Tux99 a écrit :
Marc, just as a further point to reflect on:
there are countries in the world were encryption is illegal or severely
restricted.
According to your logic that would mean we can't include ssh, openssl, pgp,
and even https support in any browser.
Does that
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010, [UTF-8] Marc Paré wrote:
Le 2010-10-12 22:04, Tux99 a écrit :
According to your logic that would mean we can't include ssh, openssl, pgp,
and even https support in any browser.
Does that seems reasonable to you?
You need to face it, it would be impossible to
Le 2010-10-13 01:14, Tux99 a écrit :
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010, [UTF-8] Marc Paré wrote:
Le 2010-10-12 22:04, Tux99 a écrit :
According to your logic that would mean we can't include ssh, openssl, pgp,
and even https support in any browser.
Does that seems reasonable to you?
You need to face
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