Re: [Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...

2011-11-06 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2011/11/5 Maarten Vanraes al...@rmail.be: Op zaterdag 05 november 2011 16:24:17 schreef Pierre Jarillon: [...] Then it is too much to be stored in a cheap DVD. IMO, when the size of a branch reaches such a size, an updated release should be issued. Remember that a lot of people have a slow

Re: [Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...

2011-11-06 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op zondag 06 november 2011 08:15:12 schreef Wolfgang Bornath: [...] How is a download of a 600MB iso different from installing 600MB of updates via net? More, usually you will not need all updates, only updates of installed packages. because they can be downloaded by someone else and burned

Re: [Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...

2011-11-06 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2011/11/6 Maarten Vanraes al...@rmail.be: Op zondag 06 november 2011 08:15:12 schreef Wolfgang Bornath: [...] How is a download of a 600MB iso different from installing 600MB of updates via net? More, usually you will not need all updates, only updates of installed packages. because they

Re: [Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...

2011-11-06 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op zondag 06 november 2011 10:19:59 schreef Wolfgang Bornath: [...] We are talking about 2 different things here: 1. An update release, meaning a installation DVD with current status. The benefit for new installations is the current state of a stable release. The downside: the installation

Re: [Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...

2011-11-06 Thread Matteo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 06/11/2011 10:19, Wolfgang Bornath ha scritto: 2011/11/6 Maarten Vanraes al...@rmail.be: Op zondag 06 november 2011 08:15:12 schreef Wolfgang Bornath: [...] How is a download of a 600MB iso different from installing 600MB of updates via net?

Re: [Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...

2011-11-06 Thread David
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/6/2011 5:49 AM, Matteo wrote: Il 06/11/2011 10:19, Wolfgang Bornath ha scritto: 2011/11/6 Maarten Vanraes al...@rmail.be: Op zondag 06 november 2011 08:15:12 schreef Wolfgang Bornath: [...] How is a download of a 600MB iso different from

Re: [Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...

2011-11-06 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2011/11/6 Maarten Vanraes al...@rmail.be: Op zondag 06 november 2011 10:19:59 schreef Wolfgang Bornath: [...] We are talking about 2 different things here: 1. An update release, meaning a installation DVD with current status. The benefit for new installations is the current state of a stable

Re: [Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...

2011-11-06 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op zondag 06 november 2011 12:38:24 schreef Wolfgang Bornath: [...] Of course, if you have networking at that time, you could use a server with an update repo (especially in a multi-machine environment) or with urpmi-proxy :-) 2. A DVD with updates [...] Of course we could provide

Re: [Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...

2011-11-06 Thread Sander Lepik
06.11.2011 13:38, Wolfgang Bornath kirjutas: 2011/11/6 Maarten Vanraesal...@rmail.be: It may be an option if you have such a DVD I was talking about in point 2 - somewhere at the start of the install process you can add an additional medium. If a newer package is on the update DVD (or USB key or

Re: [Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...

2011-11-06 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2011/11/6 Sander Lepik sander.le...@eesti.ee: 06.11.2011 13:38, Wolfgang Bornath kirjutas: 2011/11/6 Maarten Vanraesal...@rmail.be: It may be an option if you have such a DVD I was talking about in point 2 - somewhere at the start of the install process you can add an additional medium. If a

Re: [Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...

2011-11-06 Thread Angelo Naselli
I think that having something like apt-zip[1] on Mageia (I mean based on urpm) could be a good alternative, too. Regards, [1] http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip DeltaRPM http://freecode.com/projects/deltarpm Fedora uses it this way: DeltaRPM Support (Presto)

Re: [Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...

2011-11-05 Thread Pierre Jarillon
Le jeudi 27 octobre 2011 17:02:53, Pascal Terjan a écrit : A workaround is necessary. There are two path: 1- publish each month a new iso: mageia-1a, mageia-1b, and so on 2- create an iso with updates: mageia-1-upd01, ... In each case, the sources of packages must be updated. Each month

Re: [Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...

2011-11-05 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op zaterdag 05 november 2011 16:24:17 schreef Pierre Jarillon: [...] Then it is too much to be stored in a cheap DVD. IMO, when the size of a branch reaches such a size, an updated release should be issued. Remember that a lot of people have a slow link to internet. Mandriva did such updated

[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...

2011-10-27 Thread Pierre Jarillon
Mageia 1 is a nice distribution and I install it on more and more PC. But updating after an install is very long, too much long. Now, 600 packages must be updated after an install. This shows a good health of Mageia but it is too much for users. My ADSL link is not very fast and a lot of people

Re: [Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...

2011-10-27 Thread Florian Hubold
Am 27.10.2011 16:02, schrieb Pierre Jarillon: Mageia 1 is a nice distribution and I install it on more and more PC. But updating after an install is very long, too much long. Now, 600 packages must be updated after an install. This shows a good health of Mageia but it is too much for users. My

Re: [Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...

2011-10-27 Thread Pascal Terjan
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 15:47, Florian Hubold doktor5...@arcor.de wrote: Am 27.10.2011 16:02, schrieb Pierre Jarillon: Mageia 1 is a nice distribution and I install it on more and more PC. But updating after an install is very long, too much long. Now, 600 packages must be updated after an

Re: [Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...

2011-10-27 Thread Thomas Backlund
Pascal Terjan skrev 27.10.2011 18:02: On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 15:47, Florian Hubolddoktor5...@arcor.de wrote: Am 27.10.2011 16:02, schrieb Pierre Jarillon: Mageia 1 is a nice distribution and I install it on more and more PC. But updating after an install is very long, too much long. Now,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...

2011-10-27 Thread Florian Hubold
Am 27.10.2011 17:02, schrieb Pascal Terjan: On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 15:47, Florian Hubolddoktor5...@arcor.de wrote: Am 27.10.2011 16:02, schrieb Pierre Jarillon: Mageia 1 is a nice distribution and I install it on more and more PC. But updating after an install is very long, too much long.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...

2011-10-27 Thread Pascal Terjan
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 16:16, Florian Hubold doktor5...@arcor.de wrote: Am 27.10.2011 17:02, schrieb Pascal Terjan: On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 15:47, Florian Hubolddoktor5...@arcor.de  wrote: Am 27.10.2011 16:02, schrieb Pierre Jarillon: Mageia 1 is a nice distribution and I install it on

Re: [Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...

2011-10-27 Thread Pierre Jarillon
Le jeudi 27 octobre 2011 17:16:59, Florian Hubold a écrit : You will find the volunteers who will join QA team to do the necessary quality assurance for the additional ISOs? Each month is not really feasible, as I believe it takes one week of work to build and test an iso. Doing it

Re: [Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...

2011-10-27 Thread Florian Hubold
Am 27.10.2011 18:15, schrieb Pascal Terjan: On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 16:16, Florian Hubolddoktor5...@arcor.de wrote: Am 27.10.2011 17:02, schrieb Pascal Terjan: On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 15:47, Florian Hubolddoktor5...@arcor.dewrote: Am 27.10.2011 16:02, schrieb Pierre Jarillon: Mageia 1

Re: [Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...

2011-10-27 Thread Thomas Backlund
Pascal Terjan skrev 27.10.2011 19:15: On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 16:16, Florian Hubolddoktor5...@arcor.de wrote: Well, the second proposal should not really take a whole week to do, no? Just create an iso from $repo_updates and merge all those into one if there's enough space on the CD. First

Re: [Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...

2011-10-27 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op donderdag 27 oktober 2011 18:19:06 schreef Pierre Jarillon: [...] As I made dozens of install each year, I have made a mirror of Mandriva updates on my server. Then I need to add my mirrors (with a script) and to remove them after. This save me a geat amount of time. Now, I don't like

Re: [Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...

2011-10-27 Thread David W. Hodgins
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:36:00 -0400, Thomas Backlund t...@mageia.org wrote: Well, current core/updates tree on _one_ arch is 4.2GB so... Is that including the Core Updates Debug repository? Regards, Dave Hodgins

Re: [Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...

2011-10-27 Thread nicolas vigier
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011, David W. Hodgins wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:36:00 -0400, Thomas Backlund t...@mageia.org wrote: Well, current core/updates tree on _one_ arch is 4.2GB so... Is that including the Core Updates Debug repository? No. The Core Updates Debug repository adds 5.4G more.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...

2011-10-27 Thread Thomas Backlund
28.10.2011 03:11, nicolas vigier skrev: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011, David W. Hodgins wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:36:00 -0400, Thomas Backlundt...@mageia.org wrote: Well, current core/updates tree on _one_ arch is 4.2GB so... Is that including the Core Updates Debug repository? No. The Core

Re: [Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...

2011-10-27 Thread Manuel Hiebel
Le vendredi 28 octobre 2011 à 00:19 +0300, Thomas Backlund a écrit : 28.10.2011 03:11, nicolas vigier skrev: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011, David W. Hodgins wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:36:00 -0400, Thomas Backlundt...@mageia.org wrote: Well, current core/updates tree on _one_ arch is 4.2GB