On 2/25/02 10:14 PM, "Barry A. Warsaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No they aren't. I'm leary about adding a bunch of aliases, but if
> there's really a widely deployed established practice, then it might
> make sense to add them.
Support the RFCs. If there are endemic options, support them (bu
On 2/25/02 9:56 PM, "Barry A. Warsaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> - Some place that password reminders come from. Since this will be
> receiving bounces, it ought to be a real list.
Cautionary tale here.
A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, I decided to do my users a
favor, and created
Hi,
I am playing with Mailman 2.1a i18n feature.
When I set my test list as moderated, the rejection notice
message in admindb/details doesn't show up with translation.
Following short patch fixes this bug (I think).
--- /home/mailman/src/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py Fri Feb 15
19:17:45 200
--- "Barry A. Warsaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "DM" == Damien Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> DM> You could always use Basic Authentication, with authentication
> DM> being done by the cgi scripts against the membership list
> DM> (emailaddress,password) rather th
On 2/25/02 10:05 PM, "Barry A. Warsaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure I'm ready to deprecate the roster until we can come up
> with a simple recipe for people to unsubscribe themselves
> unambiguously via the web.
If you go to VERP (or more correctly, customized email), you can set
On 2/25/02 10:08 PM, "Barry A. Warsaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The problem is that I suspect it makes it much harder for a person to
> find their user account and get themselves unsubscribed. Without the
> roster, they have to know the address they're subscribed with to get
> anywhere. And
> "DM" == Damien Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
DM> You could always use Basic Authentication, with authentication
DM> being done by the cgi scripts against the membership list
DM> (emailaddress,password) rather than the webserver. As far as I
DM> can tell, this operates
> "RJ" == Ron Jarrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
RJ> I hate installing python. All those 80 gazillion modules,
RJ> each of which thinks it knows more about your system than you
RJ> do, and wants to taunt you with it. I remembered that my big
RJ> problems in the past have b
> "RJ" == Ron Jarrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
RJ> Actually, come to think of it, will mm 2.1* work ok on python
RJ> 2.2? Since it's out, I might just as well go straight there!
I develop primarily using Python 2.2 these days, with occasional
forays back into 2.1.2 land.
-Barry
> "RJ" == Ron Jarrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
RJ> Ahhh. Yet another python upgrade just for mailman :-). Yup,
RJ> still running 2.0... Ok, time to shelve mailman for a bit
RJ> while we go hunt down python 2.1, and remember all the things
RJ> we had to beat on to make it
> "RJ" == Ron Jarrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
RJ> I'd imagine upwards of 90% of systems out there have gunzip.
RJ> Or maybe just use gzip -d. It would, however, add another
RJ> required component, and this one just for one itty bit of the
RJ> install. Honestly, since yo
> From: Barry A. Warsaw
>
> > "SJT" == Stephen J Turnbull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> SJT> You aren't going to make cookies go away, because they really
> SJT> really do constitute a service to the browsing public.
>
> I've given up on the anti-cookie rants, for the most part.
> "PCN" == Peter C Norton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
PCN> These days if someone doesn't have gzip installed they should
PCN> be doing it ASAP. Even solaris users can get stuff like this
PCN> from Sun now. Making gzip a requirement isn't an issue on
PCN> any modern platform
> "SJT" == Stephen J Turnbull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
SJT> You aren't going to make cookies go away, because they really
SJT> really do constitute a service to the browsing public.
I've given up on the anti-cookie rants, for the most part. I still
haven't given up my rage again
> "jcmcm" == <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
jcmcm> I'm looking to modify the administration interface (and
jcmcm> likely a handful of other things). Am I just looking in all
jcmcm> the wrong places or is there no available source code for
jcmcm> the cgi binaries?
It's all in
> "RJ" == Ron Jarrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
RJ> Mailman/pythonlib/Makefile needs to get registered, so the
RJ> cvs will realize it can delete it, and the pythonlib tree..
Something's weird with the cvs repository, I suspect. I had this
problem, and then I manually blew away
> "RJ" == Ron Jarrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
RJ> Ok, mailman installs now, and large chunks of it are working,
RJ> sans, apparently, any support for gzipping anymore since I got
RJ> three pages of errors trying to link zlib. However, gate_news
RJ> is still doing what I
> "BAW" == Barry A Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
BAW> Yeah, it's just that I generally hate cookies too.
So call them [Kerberos] "tickets". (Me like cookies, one, two, I put
them away now. Tickets have no flavor and are hard to chew.) You
aren't going to make cookies go away, bec
> "JRM" == Jason R Mastaler
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
JRM> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Barry A. Warsaw) writes:
>> - searching
JRM> This is the biggie IMHO. Interface differences matter little
JRM> to me, but I find an unsearchable mailing list archive
JRM> practically
> "PS" == Paul Schreiber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
PS> Apologies if this has already been noted ... are -on and -off
PS> set up as aliases as well? I forgot who does this -- ListSTAR
PS> or LetterRip -- whatever TidBITS uses.
No they aren't. I'm leary about adding a bunch of
Dne Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 01:15:09PM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw napsal:
>
> > "MM" == Marc MERLIN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> MM> I'm fairly sure it was fixed in alpha4, and it is definitely
> MM> fixed in CVS (this problem didn't appear when I upgraded
> MM> another mm site of mi
I'm looking to modify the administration interface (and likely a handful of other
things). Am I just looking in all the wrong places or is there no available source
code for the cgi binaries?
JM
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On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 01:24:08PM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> - [EMAIL PROTECTED] gets disabled, thus shutting off a large list of
> recipients.
>
> Or will/should yahoogroups rewrite the envelope sender for /its/
> downstream members?
yahoogroups should rewrite the envelope sender to cat
REMOVE me from this list, please.
At 12:15 PM 2/11/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> "DS"
== Donaven Staab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
DS> Dear MailMan announce list members,
DS> I'd appreciated any feedback here.
DS> Does anyone currently use the MailMan Mailing
List Utility
DS> w
Hi,
I've got this error on my install of 2.1a4:
Traceback:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 86, in run_main
main()
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 187, in main
show_results(mlist, doc, category, subcat, cgidata)
File "/hom
> Two changes: I made the background grey since that looks a little
> better on my Moz 0.9.6+ browser, and I converted it to PNG (GIFs are
> taboo for GNU projects ;).
I should have thought of that orginally! Actually, I thought about
it after I put it up on my server, but I was too tired and la
> "CVR" == Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> BAW> 5) list rosters
>> I don't know of any lists where these are available to the
>> members, let alone the public.
CVR> You know, now that I think about it. Wihle I think Mailman
CVR> now has this turned off by
> "SJT" == Stephen J Turnbull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
SJT> To me, it's not really an issue of dumbing down. It would be
SJT> easy enough to do this with a separate app, so the question
SJT> is "should a deprecated feature continue to encruft MM?"
I'm not sure I'm ready to d
> "SJT" == Stephen J Turnbull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
BAW> I'd do the same with cookies if I could figure out how to do
BAW> low-frustration-factor authentication without them.
SJT> Don't even think such things. You're just tempting the Lords
SJT> of Chaos. Ie, in this
> You can argue that "barry at zope.com" isn't obfuscated enough, and
> you might be right. I'm against any image or JavaScript approach to
> protecting these because I really do want to keep Mailman's web
> interface as pedestrian as possible. In principle I don't mind if
> JavaScript or image
On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 06:47:43PM -0800, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
> On 2/25/02 6:38 PM, "Stephen J. Turnbull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > BAW> 5) list rosters
> >
> > I don't know of any lists where these are available to the members,
> > let alone the public.
Wl, there's
http://cr
> "John" == John Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
John> I find this feature is handy for small, private lists.
Sure. I have a couple that could be handled that way, but we just
defaulted them all off. We post the names and addresses (they're
basically lists of project staff) on the h
On Tuesday 26 February 2002 15:47, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
> On 2/25/02 6:38 PM, "Stephen J. Turnbull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > BAW> 5) list rosters
> >
> > I don't know of any lists where these are available to the members,
> > let alone the public.
>
> You know, now that I think about it
On 2/25/02 6:38 PM, "Stephen J. Turnbull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> BAW> 5) list rosters
>
> I don't know of any lists where these are available to the members,
> let alone the public.
You know, now that I think about it. Wihle I think Mailman now has this
turned off by default (does it? I
> "BAW" == Barry A Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
BAW> I /think/ I've caught up on this thread,
Like JRA I think your synopsis is accurate, with respect to the issues
that can be addressed by code.
BAW> I claim that the guessability [of list-related addresses] is
BAW> a feat
--- "Jason R. Mastaler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Barry A. Warsaw) writes:
>
> > No (good) reason, really. I've added these two as aliases for -join
> > and -leave respectively.
>
> Awesome, thanks.
Apologies if this has already been noted ... are -on and -off set up as
On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 02:25:14PM -0800, Dan Mick wrote:
>
> > File "/var/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 112, in
> __verpbounce
> > if bmailbox <> mo.group('bounces'):
> > IndexError: no such group
>
> Are you sure Defaults.py is up-to-date? Specifically,
> VERP_FORM
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Barry A. Warsaw) writes:
> No (good) reason, really. I've added these two as aliases for -join
> and -leave respectively.
Awesome, thanks.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Barry A. Warsaw) writes:
> - searching
This is the biggie IMHO. Interface differences matter little to me,
but I find an unsearchable mailing list archive practically worthless.
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Ok, mailman installs now, and large chunks of it are working,
sans, apparently, any support for gzipping anymore since I got
three pages of errors trying to link zlib. However, gate_news is
still doing what I reported a month or two ago... If I email a messages
to my gated test list, I get this
On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 11:33:29PM +0100, Jonas Meurer wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Wouldn't it be sencefull to follow the standards in signature-style and
> change the "___." line to "-- " like a signature has to be
> cuted as in standards declared?
>
> Bye
> Jonas
>
> --
> Du willst eine
Apologies if this is the wrong forum to post this; redirection appreciated.
Here's the tail of my error log:
Feb 25 17:24:02 2002 qrunner(29152): Traceback (most recent call last):
Feb 25 17:24:02 2002 qrunner(29152): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 282, in ?
Feb 25 17:24:02 2002 qrunne
Hello,
Wouldn't it be sencefull to follow the standards in signature-style and
change the "___." line to "-- " like a signature has to be
cuted as in standards declared?
Bye
Jonas
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At 03:25 PM 2/25/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Shite. Be sure you're using at least Python 2.1. I think this will
>be a requirement. Py2.0 is getting pretty long in the teeth (yes, yet
I hate installing python. All those 80 gazillion modules, each of which
thinks it knows more about your system than
> File "/var/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 112, in
__verpbounce
> if bmailbox <> mo.group('bounces'):
> IndexError: no such group
Are you sure Defaults.py is up-to-date? Specifically,
VERP_FORMAT and VERP_REGEXP?
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On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 11:25:45AM -0800, Dan Mick wrote:
> 'cat' on the .pck isn't extremely useful; how about bin/dumpdb?
Sorry, I thought cat was enough. Dumpdb doesn't seem to show anything else:
root@gandalf:/var/local/mailman/bin# ./dumpdb
../qfiles/shunt/1014626917.416239+a9cf2c2ba9612ba
At 03:25 PM 2/25/02 -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
>Shite. Be sure you're using at least Python 2.1. I think this will
>be a requirement. Py2.0 is getting pretty long in the teeth (yes, yet
>another reason to get MM2.1 out the freakin' door asap!).
Actually, come to think of it, will mm 2.1* wo
At 03:25 PM 2/25/02 -0500, you wrote:
>> "RJ" == Ron Jarrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>RJ> I love playing catchup after a long hiatus :-)...
>
>Fun, ain't it? :)
>
>RJ> Seems like somethings out of sync here... While doing the make
>RJ> install, update appears to blow chunks,
> "RJ" == Ron Jarrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
RJ> I love playing catchup after a long hiatus :-)...
Fun, ain't it? :)
RJ> Seems like somethings out of sync here... While doing the make
RJ> install, update appears to blow chunks, because of
RJ> PortableUnixMailbox..
Shi
I love playing catchup after a long hiatus :-)...
Seems like somethings out of sync here... While doing the make
install, update appears to blow chunks, because of PortableUnixMailbox..
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/aliases.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py ...
Compiling /
> "MM" == Marc MERLIN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
MM> I've modified Nigel's exim transports (hopefully in good).
MM> Please review and tell me if this is fit for a patch to Barry:
MM> (I'll also submit an exim 4 version if those are good)
MM> The director now deals with VERP
On 2/25/02 10:03 AM, "Jay R. Ashworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> spam attacks a day now. I woke up to 27 pieces of spam in my personal
>> mailbox, and that's just one address, and since midnight.
>
> Eek.
Yeah, but that's still a small percentage compared to legitimate mail.
> It's all ove
Mailman/pythonlib/Makefile needs to get registered, so the
cvs will realize it can delete it, and the pythonlib tree..
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> "MM" == Marc MERLIN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
MM> I'm fairly sure it was fixed in alpha4, and it is definitely
MM> fixed in CVS (this problem didn't appear when I upgraded
MM> another mm site of mine recently (from 2.0 to cvs that is))
Cool.
-Barry
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On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 12:27:23PM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> I /think/ I've caught up on this thread, but I'm sure I've missed a
> bunch. As I see it there are really these issues to protecting email
> addresses in Mailman:
>
> 1) list admin addresses
> 2) public archives
> 3) private arch
On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 11:48:11PM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> DO> And the problem is, that update script will try to remove the
> DO> unused Cookie.py, but it will first import it (indirectly) so
> DO> the whole update scrtipt fails to execute and has no
> DO> possibility to d
On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 12:32:44PM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> >> practice well enough. I.e. should the presence of
> >> X-No-Archive: itself, regardless of value, prevent archiving of
> >> the message?
>
> JRA> This depends on which side of the "enabler" argument,
> JRA>
On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 09:23:59AM -0800, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
> On 2/25/02 8:56 AM, "Jay R. Ashworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > That said, my normal daily mail load is almost 300 these days,
> > including 9 mailing lists, and my spamcount is about 15; I deal with
> > them in about 2 minut
Hello,
I posted this in mailman-user but there I got no answer so maybe this is
a problem for developers ;):
How can I change the 'send question or comments to'-Addr on the main-
listinfo and admin-page? The domain isn't right. I've set
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME, but this mail-addr is still another hostn
> "JRA" == Jay R Ashworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Mailman's interface to Pipermail is what does this check,
>> currently defined as: X-No-Archive: yes X-Archive: no prevents
>> the message from being archived in any way. I don't think
>> there are standards for this p
I /think/ I've caught up on this thread, but I'm sure I've missed a
bunch. As I see it there are really these issues to protecting email
addresses in Mailman:
1) list admin addresses
2) public archives
3) private archives
4) raw archive
5) list rosters
For #1, MM2.1 changes what gets included
On 2/25/02 8:56 AM, "Jay R. Ashworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That said, my normal daily mail load is almost 300 these days,
> including 9 mailing lists, and my spamcount is about 15; I deal with
> them in about 2 minutes; and that's with *no* automated de-spamming,
> and about 200 posts a w
On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 10:25:49AM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> That doesn't help the little guy like me who runs my own domain and
> tools and spends a 1/2 hour (or more) every morning just deleting
> spam, even while on vacation. :) And no itch is as persistent and
> annoying as my own.
"I'm
On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 10:09:35AM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> Mailman's interface to Pipermail is what does this check, currently
> defined as:
>
> X-No-Archive: yes
> X-Archive: no
>
> prevents the message from being archived in any way. I don't think
> there are standards for thi
> "DN" == Dale Newfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
DN> I thought about that, but do you really want to send monthly
DN> password reminders to people that just wanted to look at the
DN> archives? (Or do we not send those to people with "nomail"
DN> set?)
We send password re
> "JWB" == John W Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
JWB> Once I had the domain, I started registering each product (or
JWB> company's products) with a unique local part @scandaroon.com.
JWB> Late last year, I had a sudden infusion of Spam addressed to
JWB> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "JRA" == Jay R Ashworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
JRA> Spaminator. You picked precisely the example I had in mind.
JRA> If the masses *demand* solutions, those solutions *will*
JRA> happen.
I tend to agree that the big ISPs will be forced by their users to put
up their own
> "JRA" == Jay R Ashworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
JRA> Secondly, if Piper implements this the same way that Google
JRA> does, you can put it in as the first line of the body,
JRA> starting in column 1, followed by an (additional) blank line,
JRA> and it will still take ef
> "CVR" == Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> (Or a header that can be set to cause a message not to get
>> archived?)
CVR> That already exists -- X-No-Archive, which I believe
CVR> pipermail understands.
Mailman's interface to Pipermail is what does this check
Ok, so I got VERP enabled, the envelope now looks good on outbound messages,
and exim accepts messages back.
I tried sending messages like this:
echo -e "From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]\nTo:test\n\ntest" | exim
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
and they apparently didn't get picked up by bounce mechanism, but got sent
I've modified Nigel's exim transports (hopefully in good).
Please review and tell me if this is fit for a patch to Barry:
(I'll also submit an exim 4 version if those are good)
The director now deals with VERP bounces and with lists that have -command
in their name (like mailman-owner, which gets
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