Re: [Mailman-Developers] Yet another weird-a$$ potential attack problem...

2002-04-05 Thread J C Lawrence
On Fri, 05 Apr 2002 20:48:53 -0800 Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 4/5/02 8:41 PM, "Ron Jarrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> At which point he'll refuse to confirm your subscription unless you >> can bring him a shrubbery. > Almost makes me sorry I brought this up. Was just t

Re: [Mailman-Developers] SF bug report #223533

2002-04-05 Thread J C Lawrence
On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 21:17:50 -0500 Barry A Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd like to get some feedback on bug #223533: > >http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=223533&group_id=103&atid=100103 > It's fairly old but it's complaining that there is no way to > tell the di

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Silly mailman question

2002-04-05 Thread J C Lawrence
On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 12:11:25 -0500 Jay R Ashworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The problem is that they're already in a database (filePro for Unix on > SCO 5, on a machine behind a Linux 7.1 firewall), and they want to be > able to selectwhom to mail on an adhoc basis. Sounds like a job for 2.1

Re: [Mailman-Developers] templating, search, and stuff...

2002-04-05 Thread J C Lawrence
On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:25:48 +0200 Norbert Bollow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Improving the templating system (for MM3) is more than just picking >> one and going with it. The real issue is that folks want to put all >> kinds of web skins on Mailman, to integrate them into their own way >> of

Re: [Mailman-Developers] templating, search, and stuff...

2002-04-05 Thread J C Lawrence
On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:19:09 -0500 Barry A Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> "DJ" == David Jeske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: DJ> Also, in fishing through the TODO list, I notice that adding some DJ> kind of templating system is still on there. > Improving the templating system (for MM3)

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Yet another weird-a$$ potential attack problem...

2002-04-05 Thread J C Lawrence
On Thu, 04 Apr 2002 23:09:32 -0800 Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 4/4/02 10:49 PM, "J C Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Keep the just-hit-reply model, > How about keeping the reply model, but requiring the reply come from > the address being subscribed? Problem: That

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Yet another weird-a$$ potential attack problem...

2002-04-05 Thread Barry A. Warsaw
> "RJ" == Ron Jarrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: RJ> and be greeted by a grumpy gnome of a man named Melvin, who'll RJ> shriek "What! What! Why do you all keep bothering me? Don't RJ> you have enough to do without being on *another* RJ> mailinglist??" Check out Melvin! htt

Re: [Mailman-Developers] no such file config.pck updating to 2.1b1

2002-04-05 Thread Barry A. Warsaw
> "RJ" == Ron Jarrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> You don't. While the error message is misleading, your >> config.db file will be automatically updated to config.pck the >> first time you load your list (via web, qrunner, or command >> line script). RJ> Ah hah. And

Re: [Mailman-Developers] SF bug report #223533

2002-04-05 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 4/5/02 9:56 PM, "Barry A. Warsaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > List-* headers. I don't see where the other List-* headers make much > sense for an admin message, but the List-ID header /does/ make sense > for such a posting. I agree the other headers shouldn't be there -- but most mail clien

Re: [Mailman-Developers] SF bug report #223533

2002-04-05 Thread Barry A. Warsaw
> "AP" == Andrew Pimlott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: AP> Another possibility would be to propose a revision to the AP> RFC's that adds a header just for list messages. Then, at AP> least you would have the force of an RFC behind you if people AP> complain about another heade

Re: [Mailman-Developers] SF bug report #223533

2002-04-05 Thread Barry A. Warsaw
> "CVR" == Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: CVR> I feel that flagging them with a list-id of foobar.domain.org CVR> is incorrect, because the source is the server, not the CVR> list. It's about the list, but not from the list. I think CVR> that's an important dist

Re: [Mailman-Developers] SF bug report #223533

2002-04-05 Thread Barry A. Warsaw
> "MM" == Marc MERLIN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: MM> I'll get someone to increase the page length to 100 bugs. MM> No, don't thank me, I'm just glad I could help :-))) Beauty. Okay, I'm done! :) MM> Actually I've found this annoying too, to be honest. MM> I guess one wa

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Yet another weird-a$$ potential attack problem...

2002-04-05 Thread Ron Jarrell
At 08:48 PM 4/5/02 -0800, Marc MERLIN wrote: >Right... > >You got instructions on how to unsubscribe when you subscribed (you should >have read and saved the Email) and you get a reminder every month, with >again, instructions on how to unsubscribe. I like the ones who reply to a message posted t

Re: [Mailman-Developers] SF bug report #223533

2002-04-05 Thread Andrew Pimlott
On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 09:17:50PM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > I'm in a mad quest to reduce the number of open Mailman bugs to under > 50 so it fits on one page. (If someone's smart, he'll ask sourceforge to shorten the page length every time Barry closes a bug.) > It's fairly old but it's

Re: [Mailman-Developers] no such file config.pck updating to 2.1b1

2002-04-05 Thread Georg Koch
> GK> OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > GK> '/h/mailman/lists/test/config.pck' > > GK> because the configuration is stored as config.db. > > GK> How do I convert the config.db to config.pck ? > > You don't. While the error message is misleading, your config.db fil

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Yet another weird-a$$ potential attackproblem...

2002-04-05 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 4/5/02 8:48 PM, "Marc MERLIN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Pl unsubscribe my email address from your list with imm effect >> failingwhich I will be contrained to initiate appropriate legal action as >> may be advised. > > Right... Heh. I finally changed the standard footer on all of my l

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Yet another weird-a$$ potential attackproblem...

2002-04-05 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 4/5/02 8:41 PM, "Ron Jarrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At which point he'll refuse to confirm your subscription unless you can > bring him a shrubbery. Almost makes me sorry I brought this up. Was just trying to help. I sure didn't expect the bloody spanish inquisition... -- Chuq Vo

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Yet another weird-a$$ potential attack problem...

2002-04-05 Thread Marc MERLIN
On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 11:41:35PM -0500, Ron Jarrell wrote: > At 12:13 AM 4/5/02 -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > >E.g. we could shut off email confirms altogether and force only web > >confirmations. Or we could be more Majordomo-ish as JC describes. > > I think all potential subscribers to *an

Re: [Mailman-Developers] SF bug report #223533

2002-04-05 Thread Marc MERLIN
On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 07:26:09PM -0800, Dan Mick wrote: > > It's fairly old but it's complaining that there is no way to > > tell the difference between a list posting and an administrative > > message via the List-* headers. > > What's an "administrative message"? message foo needs moderat

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Problem in 2.1b1's contrib/qmail-to-mailman.py

2002-04-05 Thread Marc MERLIN
On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 11:50:35AM -0800, Bill Wagner wrote: > > Then again, it'd be better if qmail could just be taught to > > automatically recognize Mailman lists, but again, I don't know enough > > about qmail to write the appropriate recipes. > > Are there no developers running qmail? I kn

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Yet another weird-a$$ potential attack problem...

2002-04-05 Thread Ron Jarrell
At 12:13 AM 4/5/02 -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: >E.g. we could shut off email confirms altogether and force only web >confirmations. Or we could be more Majordomo-ish as JC describes. I think all potential subscribers to *any* mailman list should be required to trek in person to a lonely aband

Re: [Mailman-Developers] no such file config.pck updating to 2.1b1

2002-04-05 Thread Ron Jarrell
At 04:09 PM 4/4/02 -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > GK> OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > GK> '/h/mailman/lists/test/config.pck' > > GK> because the configuration is stored as config.db. > > GK> How do I convert the config.db to config.pck ? > >You don't. While the er

Re: [Mailman-Developers] SF bug report #223533

2002-04-05 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 4/5/02 6:17 PM, "Barry A. Warsaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's fairly old but it's complaining that there is no way to > tell the difference between a list posting and an administrative > message via the List-* headers. I think it's actually recommending to > add another header(!) only

Re: [Mailman-Developers] SF bug report #223533

2002-04-05 Thread Dan Mick
> I'd like to get some feedback on bug #223533: > > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=223533&group_id=103&ati d=100103 > > It's fairly old but it's complaining that there is no way to > tell the difference between a list posting and an administrative > message via t

Re: [Mailman-Developers] SF bug report #223533

2002-04-05 Thread Marc MERLIN
On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 09:17:50PM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > I'm in a mad quest to reduce the number of open Mailman bugs to under > 50 so it fits on one page. I'm nearly there. I'll get someone to increase the page length to 100 bugs. No, don't thank me, I'm just glad I could help :-)))

[Mailman-Developers] SF bug report #223533

2002-04-05 Thread Barry A. Warsaw
I'm in a mad quest to reduce the number of open Mailman bugs to under 50 so it fits on one page. I'm nearly there. I'd like to get some feedback on bug #223533: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=223533&group_id=103&atid=100103 It's fairly old but it's complaining

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Almost there (was Problem in 2.1b1's contrib/qmail-to-mailman.py)

2002-04-05 Thread Barry A. Warsaw
> "BW" == Bill Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: BW> That did the trick! (BTW, I'm sure it's near the bottom of BW> your TODO list, you might want to eventually update BW> $MailmanHome in contrib/qmail-to-mailman.py to reflect MM's BW> new $HOME of /usr/local/mailman). Don

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Almost there (was Problem in 2.1b1's contrib/qmail-to-mailman.py)

2002-04-05 Thread Barry A. Warsaw
> "BW" == Bill Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: BW> Makes sense. Here's what's in logs/error (sorry for the BW> formatting): Hmm, this means your messages aren't getting unix-from headers from your MTA. Can you send me a .db/.pck pair from your shunt directory? And which MTA are

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Almost there (was Problem in 2.1b1's contrib/qmail-to-mailman.py)

2002-04-05 Thread Barry A. Warsaw
> "BW" == Bill Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: BW> mailmanctl is running and the cronjob's in place so I don't BW> know the next step. I'm presuming that all messages go into BW> the shunt dir first before being delivered, (is this BW> incorrect?) but what would cause the

Re: [Mailman-Developers] mm-handler redux

2002-04-05 Thread Barry A. Warsaw
> "RJ" == Ron Jarrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: RJ> Ok. Diff against cvs again. Handles the VERP tokens just RJ> fine. If I wasn't *still* here fiddling at 7am it'd probably RJ> be a tad more elegant, but it work. Thanks, I've just committed this to cvs. -Barry __

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Problem in 2.1b1's contrib/qmail-to-mailman.py

2002-04-05 Thread Barry A. Warsaw
> "BW" == Bill Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: BW> That patch basically just changes it to point to mail/mailman BW> now, right? Check cvs because I also just caught up on a few changes that Ben Gertzfield contributed. >> From what I can tell, it's still not going to work.

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Problem in 2.1b1's contrib/qmail-to-mailman.py

2002-04-05 Thread Barry A. Warsaw
> "BW" == Bill Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: BW> First off, I'm sorry if this isn't the appropriate forum, but BW> I felt it more appropriate than mailman-users. This one's fine! BW> I'm running a Mandrake 8.0 box with qmail and have 2.0.9 BW> running fine but am testi

Re: [Mailman-Developers] README.POSTFIX patch

2002-04-05 Thread Barry A. Warsaw
> "JP" == Jon Parise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: JP> It looks like README.POSTFIX is missing a word in here. See JP> the attached patch. Fixed, thanks. -Barry ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/

[Mailman-Developers] README.POSTFIX patch

2002-04-05 Thread Jon Parise
It looks like README.POSTFIX is missing a word in here. See the attached patch. -- Jon Parise ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) . Information Technology (2001) http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jon/ : Computer Science House Member Index: README.POSTFIX

Re: [Mailman-Developers] templating, search, and stuff...

2002-04-05 Thread David Jeske
On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 10:19:09AM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > > "DJ" == David Jeske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > DJ> Also, in fishing through the TODO list, I notice that adding > DJ> some kind of templating system is still on there. > > Improving the templating system (for M

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Silly mailman question

2002-04-05 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 12:24:38PM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > > "JRA" == Jay R Ashworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > JRA> The problem is that they're already in a database (filePro > JRA> for Unix on SCO 5, on a machine behind a Linux 7.1 firewall), > JRA> and they want to be

[Mailman-Developers] Problem in 2.1b1's contrib/qmail-to-mailman.py

2002-04-05 Thread Bill Wagner
Good morning, First off, I'm sorry if this isn't the appropriate forum, but I felt it more appropriate than mailman-users. I'm running a Mandrake 8.0 box with qmail and have 2.0.9 running fine but am testing 2.1b1 and have run into a problem. When passing mail through qmail-to-mailman.py, lines

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Silly mailman question

2002-04-05 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 4/5/02 9:11 AM, "Jay R. Ashworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know this is a pretty kettle of fish; anyone have any suggestions? > > I'm willing to take a swing at writing a Python module to encompass > filePro if I have to do that, but I'm not sure that's enough here: the > user data isn

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Silly mailman question

2002-04-05 Thread Barry A. Warsaw
> "JRA" == Jay R Ashworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: JRA> The problem is that they're already in a database (filePro JRA> for Unix on SCO 5, on a machine behind a Linux 7.1 firewall), JRA> and they want to be able to selectwhom to mail on an adhoc JRA> basis. JRA> This

[Mailman-Developers] Silly mailman question

2002-04-05 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
I have a client who wishes to send a bunch of mail. They're good little boys and girls; the address are all opt-in, to my personal knowledge. The problem is that they're already in a database (filePro for Unix on SCO 5, on a machine behind a Linux 7.1 firewall), and they want to be able to selec

Re: [Mailman-Developers] templating, search, and stuff...

2002-04-05 Thread Norbert Bollow
> Improving the templating system (for MM3) is more than just picking > one and going with it. The real issue is that folks want to put all > kinds of web skins on Mailman, to integrate them into their own way of > managing their sites. Some people don't care about the integration, > and for the

Re: [Mailman-Developers] templating, search, and stuff...

2002-04-05 Thread Barry A. Warsaw
> "DJ" == David Jeske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: DJ> Also, in fishing through the TODO list, I notice that adding DJ> some kind of templating system is still on there. Improving the templating system (for MM3) is more than just picking one and going with it. The real issue is that

Re: [Mailman-Developers] no such file config.pck updating to 2.1b1

2002-04-05 Thread Barry A. Warsaw
> "GK" == Georg Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: GK> but I cannot, because MailList.py stops with an uncatched GK> exception first. __load is called from load like this: | for file in (pfile, plast, dfile, dlast): | dict, e = self.__load(file) GK> so i

[Mailman-Developers] templating, search, and stuff...

2002-04-05 Thread David Jeske
I've manually dug through one too many pipermail archives, so I've decided it's time to help fix the problem by connecting a search index to mailman/pipermail. I'm probably going to use mifluz (after I swig a python wrapper for it). If anyone has this in progress or wants to coordinate on it, drop