Re: (Fwd) Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] How to rem

2004-04-04 Thread Bryan Carbonnell
On 5 Apr 2004 at 0:08, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 12:05 PM -0400 2004/04/04, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > > And wouldn't it be easier for Barry to implement? > > Maybe. However, we have to consider more than just the > implementation cost -- there is also the support cost to consider. If > it cos

Re: (Fwd) Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] How to rem

2004-04-04 Thread Brad Knowles
At 12:05 PM -0400 2004/04/04, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: Yes, it may be true that RegExs are foreign to most people (myself included to a certain degree), but wouldn't it make MM more flexible? There can be such a thing as "too flexible". After all, a C compiler and a Python interpreter are abou

[Mailman-Developers] Typo fix in Mailman's README.EXIM

2004-04-04 Thread Greg Ward
Hi Barry -- Daniel Zeiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spotted a typo in Mailman's README.EXIM (actually, he spotted it in the version at http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html -- hence cc'ing [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Here's the fix: --- README.EXIM 20 Mar 2003 16:58:29 - 2.9 +++ README.EXIM 4 Apr 20

[Mailman-Developers] Global hide/unide list members

2004-04-04 Thread Andrzej Kasperowicz
A list-owner: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004- March/035696.html asked me for help with retrieving a list of subscribers of his lists. What I found on his lists was this option ticked: "Conceal the member's address" in the "Default options for new members joining this list.". Ho

Re: [Mailman-Developers] How to remove X-Confirm-Reading requests from mail headers distributed by Mailman?

2004-04-04 Thread Andrzej Kasperowicz
> No. The critical point is "large enough". If their need is large > enough they either will themselves, or will arrange for someone else to > as their proxy. I don't think so. If they ask for that on the list, that already means that their need is large enough. List-owners needn't to know any

Re: [Mailman-Developers] How to remove X-Confirm-Reading requests from mail headers distributed by Mailman?

2004-04-04 Thread Terri Oda
On Apr 4, 2004, at 2:01 PM, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: Can we please drop this? It's been beaten into the ground. I don't think the mailman development crew has shown itself well here, either, especially Brad, who seems to be grumpy beyond the needs of the discussion for some reason. I don't think

Re: [Mailman-Developers] How to remove X-Confirm-Reading requests from mail headers distributed by Mailman?

2004-04-04 Thread J C Lawrence
On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 18:54:55 +0200 Andrzej Kasperowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I don't. I assume that everyone can learn python should their >> interest/need for a particular feature be large enough. After all, > Bad assumption. Time is not from rubber, your advice might be good for > co

Re: [Mailman-Developers] How to remove X-Confirm-Reading requests from mail headers distributed by Mailman?

2004-04-04 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
Guys -- Can we please drop this? It's been beaten into the ground. I don't think the mailman development crew has shown itself well here, either, especially Brad, who seems to be grumpy beyond the needs of the discussion for some reason. I don't think we as a team managing an open source proje

Re: [Mailman-Developers] How to remove X-Confirm-Reading requests from mail headers distributed by Mailman?

2004-04-04 Thread Andrzej Kasperowicz
> I don't. I assume that everyone can learn python should their > interest/need for a particular feature be large enough. After all, Bad assumption. Time is not from rubber, your advice might be good for computer science students, but might not be for others. I suggest you never say again to so

[Mailman-Developers] Excessive quote filtering [was Re: Copy some of the features from Freelists (ecartis) to the Mailman.]

2004-04-04 Thread Lawrence Weeks
Once upon a time (Wed Mar 24), Andrzej Kasperowicz wrote: > Bad quoting is also often a problem, so it would be good if Mailman > could have similar solution to that used in freelists. I've not looked at ecartis/freelists, but I have had quote filtering on my mailing lists since the early 90s (or

Re: [Mailman-Developers] How to remove X-Confirm-Reading requests from mail headers distributed by Mailman?

2004-04-04 Thread Andrzej Kasperowicz
> If you want something done, and there isn't anyone who has the time, > skills or inclination to do it for you, then you either knuckle down and And how could I know that there isn't anyone, huh? > do it yourself, or forget about it. You don't keep hounding someone else > to do it. You are

Re: [Mailman-Developers] How to remove X-Confirm-Reading requests from mail headers distributed by Mailman?

2004-04-04 Thread J C Lawrence
On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 17:32:55 +0200 Andrzej Kasperowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Past an early point an easy distinguishing factor is: >> Are you interested in it enough to write a patch? >> Are you interested in it enough to maintain a patch? > To whom you address these questions? Ho

Re: [Mailman-Developers] How to remove X-Confirm-Reading requests from mail headers distributed by Mailman?

2004-04-04 Thread Andrzej Kasperowicz
> > To whom you address these questions? > > Why do you assume that everyone knows Python? > > I assist Mailman community as I can, i.e. by giving my advice and my > > ideas how things could be improved. > > So you'd rather tell people what to do, rather than do it yourself, > because you might

Re: (Fwd) Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] How to rem

2004-04-04 Thread Bryan Carbonnell
On 3 Apr 2004 at 21:51, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 9:43 AM -0500 2004/04/03, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > > > Why not just have a list of UserDefined RegEx's of headers to > > strip? > > Because most people don't properly understand regular > expressions. Since you can do the same thing in a dif

Re: [Mailman-Developers] How to remove X-Confirm-Reading requests from mail headers distributed by Mailman?

2004-04-04 Thread Andrzej Kasperowicz
> Past an early point an easy distinguishing factor is: > > Are you interested in it enough to write a patch? > > Are you interested in it enough to maintain a patch? To whom you address these questions? Why do you assume that everyone knows Python? I assist Mailman community as I can, i.e.

Re: [Mailman-Developers] How to remove X-Confirm-Reading requests from mail headers distributed by Mailman?

2004-04-04 Thread Andrzej Kasperowicz
> At 2:41 PM +0200 2004/04/04, Andrzej Kasperowicz wrote: > > > I know, but I shouldn't be condemned for recommending such features. And > > it seems that I was just for daring to compare it to ecarits. > > As I said, this is a slippery slope. Once you start down the > path of "But prog

Re: [Mailman-Developers] How to remove X-Confirm-Reading requests from mail headers distributed by Mailman?

2004-04-04 Thread J C Lawrence
On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 16:02:38 +0200 Brad Knowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As I said, this is a slippery slope. Once you start down the path of > "But program XYZZY does this, why can't you?!?", it becomes very > difficult to get back to the real issue of what features truly are > needed, for w

Re: [Mailman-Developers] How to remove X-Confirm-Reading requests from mail headers distributed by Mailman?

2004-04-04 Thread Brad Knowles
At 2:41 PM +0200 2004/04/04, Andrzej Kasperowicz wrote: I know, but I shouldn't be condemned for recommending such features. And it seems that I was just for daring to compare it to ecarits. As I said, this is a slippery slope. Once you start down the path of "But program XYZZY does this, why

Re: [Mailman-Developers] How to remove X-Confirm-Reading requests from mail headers distributed by Mailman?

2004-04-04 Thread Andrzej Kasperowicz
> As I told you in private e-mail, I'm not interested in whatever > he might have to say. I've been in this business long enough to know > what the capabilities are of the various types of programs, and > there's nothing he could possibly say that could change my mind. But there is a lot