Re: [Mailman-Developers] Batch-level list configuration

* On 2007.05.02, in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, * "Jeff Kunzelman (DHL)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is there a way that I can use the withlist command to change the display > name of a mailman list? You can, but you must write valid python code that manipulates properties of the list object.

[Mailman-Developers] Styling patch

A.M. Kuchling writes: > [Aside: are there many patches in the tracker that could be useful? "Could be useful", definitely. I've used several at one time or another. But typically they're unsatisfactory as-is because they hard-code the intended behavior. OTOH, they are non-trivial to integrate

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Templating the interface

Barry Warsaw wrote: \ > Related to the different levels of customizability, I'd say that it > should be easy for folks to change some color schemes and basic look > with just a passing understanding of CSS. I agree with this, and think that a vast swath of customization needs could be met wit

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Styling patch

A.M. Kuchling wrote: > Patch #1415956 from Bryan Carbonnell adds CSS for styling purposes and > changes the HTML to be valid XHTML1.0. It still needs some tidying > up, and it still uses tables for layout, but that patch takes us > halfway there. For the moment, I can make at least IE7/firefox "i

[Mailman-Developers] Developing for mailman is hard

Hi! I'm a spoiled young brat who used to have ambitions to be a graphic designer, did a couple of underground 'zines right around when this whole "web" thing started. Anyway, so I got dragged kicking and screaming into the programming side of things- astute googling would find some posts of me

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Should we move to Bazaar?

I think it is an excellent idea to move to a distributed source code system, and my time in the trenches with Barry doing python.org mail stuff makes me think that the easier it is for the lead developers to work directly with the support people, the better it is for the software project. I've

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Templating the interface

Barry Warsaw wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On May 2, 2007, at 10:21 AM, A.M. Kuchling wrote: > >> On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 11:47:40AM -0400, Ethan Fremen wrote: >>> Right now, I think the "low hanging fruit" is to rip out all the HTML >>> 'style' markup and make all

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Should we move to Bazaar?

Barry Warsaw wrote: > Of course, I think it /will/ make our lives harder in some ways. As > we've seen, folks like cPanel have their own forks that they modify, > and then their users come looking to us for support, which we can't > give them. Having more public branches out there will inc

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Should we move to Bazaar?

On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 08:50:16AM -0700, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SVK What about SVK's speed, though? There was discussion of providing a DVCS mirror of the Python SVN, so I tried at making a copy of the repository via SVK, and SVK looked like it was going to be

[Mailman-Developers] Styling patch

Patch #1415956 from Bryan Carbonnell adds CSS for styling purposes and changes the HTML to be valid XHTML1.0. It still needs some tidying up, and it still uses tables for layout, but that patch takes us halfway there. It presents one big compatibility issue that will probably need to be fixed. T

[Mailman-Developers] Starting a CSS wiki page

I've started a page with random notes about adding CSS: http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/StyledPages Edit away! Given my interest in the archiver, I'm starting by looking at the archive templates and noting some ideas for what should be added. --amk __

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Should we move to Bazaar?

Barry Warsaw wrote, On 05/03/2007 05:16 PM: > Alioth is for Debian only, right? Would they host Mercurial branches > for other FLOSS software like Mailman? If we go with Mercurial, > we'll need someone reliable to host the official branches. I > certainly don't want to do that myself! Is

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Should we move to Bazaar?

Barry Warsaw writes: > Your point about interoperability is an important one, and definitely > a factor in the decision. I think the risk is mitigated by tools > like Tailor, Tailor is great, but "mitigated" is as far as you can go. The basic stuff like branches and committer id is prope

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Should we move to Bazaar?

Since I haven't seen anyone else mention this... there is also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SVK I say stick with Subversion/SVK: #1. *everyone* knows how to use it and almost all OSS software projects use it. #2. The subversion developers are *awesome*. I used to work with them at CollabNet

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Should we move to Bazaar?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 3, 2007, at 11:42 AM, John Dennis wrote: > On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 11:16 -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote: >> Alioth is for Debian only, right? Would they host Mercurial branches >> for other FLOSS software like Mailman? If we go with Mercurial, >> we

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Should we move to Bazaar?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 3, 2007, at 11:37 AM, Fil wrote: >> write privileges are >> a big sticking point for community participation in code development, >> to which I agree. However, he also concluded that dvcs's are /bad/ >> for open source because they encourage p

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Should we move to Bazaar?

On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 11:16 -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote: > Alioth is for Debian only, right? Would they host Mercurial branches > for other FLOSS software like Mailman? If we go with Mercurial, > we'll need someone reliable to host the official branches. I > certainly don't want to do that m

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Should we move to Bazaar?

> write privileges are > a big sticking point for community participation in code development, > to which I agree. However, he also concluded that dvcs's are /bad/ > for open source because they encourage private branches, and > everything should be done in the open. My own experience with SPIP (

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Should we move to Bazaar?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 3, 2007, at 10:37 AM, John Dennis wrote: > On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 22:01 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > [ superb summary, snipped for brevity ] Agreed! I also agree with your assessment John. It's an evolutionary battle: cvs ate rcs,

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Should we move to Bazaar?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 3, 2007, at 9:01 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Barry Warsaw writes: > >> think this is a good time to ask whether we should move from >> Subversion to Bazaar for our source code >> revision control system. > > I w

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Should we move to Bazaar?

On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 22:01 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: [ superb summary, snipped for brevity ] Thank you Stephen for your excellent summary, it was very informative and even handed. I tend to share your view that git and mercurial are the current best of breed. At the moment the open sour

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Should we move to Bazaar?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 2, 2007, at 6:37 PM, John Dennis wrote: > I'll confess I'm not familiar with Bazaar and what it has to offer, it > may be the optimal choice, but I'm wondering, have you given Mercurial > serious consideration? It was on my radar, but no, I ha

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Should we move to Bazaar?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for all the excellent feedback folks! On May 2, 2007, at 6:25 PM, Fil wrote: > when I tried to do some work on Mailman, a while ago (a few years, in > fact), I was not put off by the (then) CVS system used, but more by > the fact that it seeme

[Mailman-Developers] Should we move to Bazaar?

Barry Warsaw writes: > think this is a good time to ask whether we should move from > Subversion to Bazaar for our source code > revision control system. I would rank Bazaar(-ng == bzr) third behind git and Mercurial. I like git because it tastes like Mom's hom

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Should we move to Bazaar?

Edward Elhauge writes: > Would you compare Bazaar to GnuArch (tla): > http://www.gnuarch.org/arch/ > > Is your Bazaar a different branch of Arch? Yes. The bazaar Barry is talking about is commonly called "bzr" (the name of the command) or "bazaar-ng". It's similar in that it is a distr