Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman roadmap

2007-07-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 9, 2007, at 7:27 PM, Arne Schwabe wrote: > At our University we developed a customized mini Interface called > 'simple' Interface. The normal mailman Interface is still there, > called > 'expert admin'. A (non working) demo is here: > https:/

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman roadmap

2007-07-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 9, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > These sound like sensible plans and I'm curious about what 2.2 and > 3.0 will > bring. However, my question is whether we can expect some 2.1.x > releases in > the short term (like 2.1.10 you m

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman roadmap

2007-07-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It's catch up on email day! On Jul 9, 2007, at 9:35 AM, Ian Eiloart wrote: > WRT 3.0, for enterprise and education purposes, it's important to > be able > to hook into existing authentication and authorisation mechanisms. > For us, > that means L

[Mailman-Developers] Potential solution to protecting email addresses in archive...

2007-07-20 Thread Dale Newfield
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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Improving the archives

2007-07-20 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Barry Warsaw writes: > But it would have to be subject to the same bounce rules as any other > auto-response which could be used as a spam vector, e.g. limit the > number of bounces per time period and don't include the entire > original message in the bounce But that prevents detecting

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Improving the archives

2007-07-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 20, 2007, at 10:59 AM, Nigel Metheringham wrote: > On 20 Jul 2007, at 15:52, Barry Warsaw wrote: >> Mailman gets the From_ line before passing off to the archiver. >> But that's interesting, does lurker /require/ the From_ line? >> > > Well lur

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Improving the archives

2007-07-20 Thread Nigel Metheringham
On 20 Jul 2007, at 15:52, Barry Warsaw wrote: > Mailman gets the From_ line before passing off to the archiver. > But that's interesting, does lurker /require/ the From_ line? > Well lurker handles Maildir - no From_ but the same info is in the filename, and it can take messages on stdin wit

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Improving the archives

2007-07-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Nigel, On Jul 20, 2007, at 10:38 AM, Nigel Metheringham wrote: > On 20 Jul 2007, at 15:26, Barry Warsaw wrote: >>> BTW lurker gives all messages an ID which is 3 parts separated by >>> periods. The first part is a date fie

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Improving the archives

2007-07-20 Thread Nigel Metheringham
On 20 Jul 2007, at 15:26, Barry Warsaw wrote: >> BTW lurker gives all messages an ID which is 3 parts separated by >> periods. The first part is a date field - ie 20070720, the second >> part is the receive time, UTC, as 6 digits, and the final part >> is some form of hex

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Improving the archives

2007-07-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
ve contacts with the Lurker community that could >> cross- >> post a new thread to get the discussion going? > > The ML appears... lacking in vigor.. > > BTW lurker gives all messages an ID which is 3 parts separated by > periods. The first part is a date field - ie 2007

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Improving the archives

2007-07-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 20, 2007, at 9:31 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Barry Warsaw writes: > >> Second, things can happen to a list >> that might cause this sequence number to get corrupted. > > Add an X-Mailman-Sequence-Number header if not already present. > >

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Improving the archives

2007-07-20 Thread Nigel Metheringham
that could cross- > post a new thread to get the discussion going? The ML appears... lacking in vigor.. BTW lurker gives all messages an ID which is 3 parts separated by periods. The first part is a date field - ie 20070720, the second part is the receive time, UTC, as 6 digits, and the final

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Improving the archives

2007-07-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 20, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >> How likely is it that two messages with the same message-id and >> date are /not/ duplicates? > > For message id generators that include a time-stamp in the generated > id, approximately the s

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Improving the archives

2007-07-20 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Barry Warsaw writes: > Second, things can happen to a list > that might cause this sequence number to get corrupted. Add an X-Mailman-Sequence-Number header if not already present. That doesn't deal with your other comments, but as I point out elsewhere, if you don't use *any* Mailman-specif

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Improving the archives

2007-07-20 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Barry Warsaw writes: > First, I want to avoid talking about file system layout. To me, > that's an implementation detail we needn't worry about right now. Agreed. > How likely is it that two messages with the same message-id and > date are /not/ duplicates? For message id generators t

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Improving the archives

2007-07-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 9, 2007, at 11:09 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > John A. Martin writes: > >> In the absence of a Message-ID >> on an outgoing mail message many if not most MTAs will add one. Why >> not let Mailman anticipate the need to add a Message-ID whe

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Improving the archives

2007-07-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 8, 2007, at 1:06 AM, Paul Wise wrote: > My personal opinion is that pipermail should be removed and mailman > should not contain a default archiver since there are plenty of good > archivers already (lurker, mhonarc etc). Adding wrappers around

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Improving the archives

2007-07-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 5, 2007, at 12:09 PM, John Dennis wrote: > A little over a year ago I went on a search to find the best open > source > archiver and at that time I came up with Lurker > (http://lurker.sourceforge.net) Since then I believe Lurker has seen a >

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Improving the archives

2007-07-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 4, 2007, at 3:30 PM, Jeff Breidenbach wrote: >> Maybe a way to think about this is that the canonical url is based on >> the message-id, but then there's some way to distill even this down >> to a tinyurl or simple integer that would be stable

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Improving the archives

2007-07-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 4, 2007, at 1:16 PM, Dale Newfield wrote: > Barry Warsaw wrote: >> Maybe a way to think about this is that the canonical url is based on >> the message-id, but then there's some way to distill even this down >> to a tinyurl or simple integer th