Re: [Mailman-Developers] before next release: disable backscatter indefault installation

2008-03-05 Thread Ian Eiloart
--On 4 March 2008 17:08:52 -0800 Jo Rhett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the former, then you must object to DSNs from MTAs as well. If the latter, that is planned to be addressed in Mailman 2.2. Of course we object to DSNs from MTAs. No shipping mailserver currently sends DSNs to accepted

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Web UI redux

2008-03-05 Thread A.M. Kuchling
yOn Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 05:57:42PM -0500, Ethan Fremen wrote: Barry said in an earlier message that there's no web UI for mm3: my first impulse is to start on something there. I'm interested in working on a REST-style interface for controlling Mailman. One thought: should the web UI be

[Mailman-Developers] Documentation status?

2008-03-05 Thread A.M. Kuchling
What's the status of the Mailman documentation, and where is the master copy now? The LaTeX source for the docs isn't in the Bazaar repository, beyond a copy in the Japanese translation (./messages/ja/doc/mailman-member.tex). The wiki page at

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Documentation status?

2008-03-05 Thread Terri Oda
On 5-Mar-08, at 2:53 PM, A.M. Kuchling wrote: What's the status of the Mailman documentation, and where is the master copy now? The LaTeX source for the docs isn't in the Bazaar repository, beyond a copy in the Japanese translation (./messages/ja/doc/mailman-member.tex). The wiki page at

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Documentation status?

2008-03-05 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 03:53:21PM -0500, Terri Oda wrote: The master latex file is probably the one on my hard drive/checked into source control (uhh, it was in svn, but it might not have made it to bazaar, in which case, that's my bad and I'll see what I can do), ... Thanks! Looking

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Documentation status?

2008-03-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 5, 2008, at 2:53 PM, A.M. Kuchling wrote: What's the status of the Mailman documentation, and where is the master copy now? Hi Andrew, The masters are in Bazaar but they're not in the main code repository. I split them off, along with

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Documentation status?

2008-03-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 5, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Terri Oda wrote: I should probably finish writing the docs, but I'm currently hampered by a cyst in my right hand that makes it fairly hard to type right now, so it's kinda limited my ability to participate in much

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Web UI redux

2008-03-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 5, 2008, at 8:36 AM, A.M. Kuchling wrote: On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 05:57:42PM -0500, Ethan Fremen wrote: Barry said in an earlier message that there's no web UI for mm3: my first impulse is to start on something there. I'm interested in

Re: [Mailman-Developers] before next release: disable backscatter indefault installation

2008-03-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 5, 2008, at 12:27 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Cristóbal Palmer writes: Even without the original message text a response is a problem. I agree -- the addresses are too easy to compute and do end up in lists that are sold -- and would

Re: [Mailman-Developers] before next release: disable backscatter indefault installation

2008-03-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 4, 2008, at 8:13 PM, Cristóbal Palmer wrote: On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 03:28:22PM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: The Defaults.py setting for DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION has been Hold from the beginning. We've recently set this to 3

Re: [Mailman-Developers] before next release: disable backscatter indefault installation

2008-03-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 5, 2008, at 5:33 AM, Ian Eiloart wrote: The one reason that I'm looking for an alternative to Mailman is the lack of adequate integration with MTAs, which means that there is no sensible thing that I can do with suspected spam. What I

Re: [Mailman-Developers] 1-click unsubscribe

2008-03-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 2, 2008, at 6:03 PM, Dan MacNeil wrote: However, lots of people use it for newsletters/announcements because it is the tool at hand. Adding things like 1-click unsubscribe will make mailman a better tool for these accidental uses and (as

Re: [Mailman-Developers] 1-click unsubscribe

2008-03-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 2, 2008, at 8:31 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: Then my next question is do you have experience with lists that do implement a 1-click unsubscribe, and do you find it actually works? My experience (see

Re: [Mailman-Developers] 1-click unsubscribe

2008-03-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 4, 2008, at 11:15 AM, Cristóbal Palmer wrote: On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 11:31:03PM -0500, Dan MacNeil wrote: Since 2005, things have gotten a bit more ruthless on the anti-spam front, Particularly at the large providers so

[Mailman-Developers] 2008 Pizzigati Prize

2008-03-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I realize that I've been remiss in announcing this. My apologies. I have been awarded the 2008 Pizzigati Prize for Public Interest Computing for GNU Mailman. http://www.pizzigatiprize.org/ I am deeply honored to win this prize because I believe

Re: [Mailman-Developers] 1-click unsubscribe

2008-03-05 Thread Terri Oda
On 4-Mar-08, at 11:15 AM, Cristóbal Palmer wrote: IMHO, moving the unsubscribe or edit options to the top of the listinfo page or making it its own page by default would go a long way towards alleviating this problem. +1 Most of my problems went away when I changed it so unsubscribe was on

Re: [Mailman-Developers] 1-click unsubscribe

2008-03-05 Thread Mark Sapiro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Terri Oda wrote: | We actually | already have a separate page, that's just not linked: try looking at | the options page without an email address and it's almost exactly | what users would probably want: | |

Re: [Mailman-Developers] 1-click unsubscribe

2008-03-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 5, 2008, at 11:25 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: Any objections to changing the URL in the RFC 2369 List-Unsubscribe: header to the above - for 2.1.10? I could probably also suppress the Error: No address given message unless you came from options