Re: [Mailman-Developers] 1-click unsubscribe

2008-03-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 5, 2008, at 11:25 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Any objections to changing the URL in the RFC 2369 List-Unsubscribe: > header to the above - for 2.1.10? I could probably also suppress the > "Error: No address given" message unless you came from opti

Re: [Mailman-Developers] 1-click unsubscribe

2008-03-05 Thread Mark Sapiro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Terri Oda wrote: | We actually | already have a separate page, that's just not linked: try looking at | the options page without an email address and it's almost exactly | what users would probably want: | | http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mail

Re: [Mailman-Developers] 1-click unsubscribe

2008-03-05 Thread Terri Oda
On 4-Mar-08, at 11:15 AM, Cristóbal Palmer wrote: > IMHO, moving the "unsubscribe or edit options" to the top of the > listinfo page or making it its own page by default would go a long way > towards alleviating this problem. +1 Most of my problems went away when I changed it so "unsubscribe" was

[Mailman-Developers] 2008 Pizzigati Prize

2008-03-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I realize that I've been remiss in announcing this. My apologies. I have been awarded the 2008 Pizzigati Prize for Public Interest Computing for GNU Mailman. http://www.pizzigatiprize.org/ I am deeply honored to win this prize because I believe v

Re: [Mailman-Developers] 1-click unsubscribe

2008-03-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 4, 2008, at 11:15 AM, Cristóbal Palmer wrote: > On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 11:31:03PM -0500, Dan MacNeil wrote: >> Since 2005, things have gotten a bit more ruthless on the >> anti-spam front, Particularly at the large providers so > > lists.i

Re: [Mailman-Developers] 1-click unsubscribe

2008-03-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 2, 2008, at 8:31 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Then my next question is do you have experience with lists that do > implement a 1-click unsubscribe, and do you find it actually works? My > experience (see >

Re: [Mailman-Developers] 1-click unsubscribe

2008-03-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 2, 2008, at 6:03 PM, Dan MacNeil wrote: > However, lots of people use it for newsletters/announcements > because it is the tool at hand. Adding things like 1-click > unsubscribe will make mailman a better tool for these accidental > uses and (a

Re: [Mailman-Developers] before next release: disable backscatter indefault installation

2008-03-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 5, 2008, at 5:33 AM, Ian Eiloart wrote: > The one reason that I'm looking for an alternative to Mailman is the > lack > of adequate integration with MTAs, which means that there is no > sensible > thing that I can do with suspected spam. Wh

Re: [Mailman-Developers] before next release: disable backscatter indefault installation

2008-03-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 4, 2008, at 8:13 PM, Cristóbal Palmer wrote: > On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 03:28:22PM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> The Defaults.py setting for DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION has been >> Hold from the beginning. > > We've recently set this to 3

Re: [Mailman-Developers] before next release: disable backscatter indefault installation

2008-03-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 5, 2008, at 12:27 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Cristóbal Palmer writes: > >> Even without the original message text a response is a problem. > > I agree -- the addresses are too easy to compute and do end up in > lists that are sold -- and

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Web UI redux

2008-03-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 5, 2008, at 8:36 AM, A.M. Kuchling wrote: > On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 05:57:42PM -0500, Ethan Fremen wrote: >> Barry said in an earlier message that there's no web UI for mm3: my >> first impulse is to start on something there. > > I'm interested

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Documentation status?

2008-03-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 5, 2008, at 4:11 PM, A.M. Kuchling wrote: > On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 03:53:21PM -0500, Terri Oda wrote: >> The master latex file is probably the one on my hard drive/checked >> into source control (uhh, it was in svn, but it might not have made

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Documentation status?

2008-03-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 5, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Terri Oda wrote: > I should probably finish writing the docs, but I'm currently hampered > by a cyst in my right hand that makes it fairly hard to type right > now, so it's kinda limited my ability to participate in much on

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Documentation status?

2008-03-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 5, 2008, at 2:53 PM, A.M. Kuchling wrote: > What's the status of the Mailman documentation, and where is the > master copy now? Hi Andrew, The masters are in Bazaar but they're not in the main code repository. I split them off, along with

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Documentation status?

2008-03-05 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 03:53:21PM -0500, Terri Oda wrote: > The master latex file is probably the one on my hard drive/checked > into source control (uhh, it was in svn, but it might not have made > it to bazaar, in which case, that's my bad and I'll see what I can > do), ... Thanks! Look

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Documentation status?

2008-03-05 Thread Terri Oda
On 5-Mar-08, at 2:53 PM, A.M. Kuchling wrote: > What's the status of the Mailman documentation, and where is the > master copy now? The LaTeX source for the docs isn't in the Bazaar > repository, beyond a copy in the Japanese translation > (./messages/ja/doc/mailman-member.tex). The wiki page at

[Mailman-Developers] Documentation status?

2008-03-05 Thread A.M. Kuchling
What's the status of the Mailman documentation, and where is the master copy now? The LaTeX source for the docs isn't in the Bazaar repository, beyond a copy in the Japanese translation (./messages/ja/doc/mailman-member.tex). The wiki page at http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Mailman+2.1+List+Admi

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Web UI redux

2008-03-05 Thread A.M. Kuchling
yOn Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 05:57:42PM -0500, Ethan Fremen wrote: > Barry said in an earlier message that there's no web UI for mm3: my > first impulse is to start on something there. I'm interested in working on a REST-style interface for controlling Mailman. One thought: should the web UI be wri

Re: [Mailman-Developers] before next release: disable backscatter indefault installation

2008-03-05 Thread Ian Eiloart
--On 4 March 2008 17:08:52 -0800 Jo Rhett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> If the former, then you must object to DSNs >> from MTAs as well. If the latter, that is planned to be addressed in >> Mailman 2.2. > > Of course we object to DSNs from MTAs. No shipping mailserver > currently sends DSNs