Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 2.1.10rc1 has been released

2008-04-14 Thread Mark Sapiro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I am happy to announce the release of Mailman 2.1.10rc1. This is a security and bug fix release and it is highly recommended that all sites upgrade to this version. Mailman 2.1.10 also adds support for three new language translations, Galician, Hebrew

Re: [Mailman-Developers] before next release: disable backscatter in default installation

2008-04-14 Thread Kenneth Porter
On Saturday, April 12, 2008 12:44 PM -0400 Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks! Capture here in the "best practices" section: > > http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Home Note that there's already backscatter prevention info here:

[Mailman-Developers] LMTP delivery (was Re: ANNOUNCE: GNU Mailman 3.0a1 (Leave That Thing Alone))

2008-04-14 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Barry Warsaw writes: > Okay. BTW, wouldn't you think that the majority of messages sent to a > Mailman list will have exactly one RCPT? Cross-posting is relatively > rare for most sites, isn't it? It's not just cross-posting, though. Consider this message, except assume that you posted

Re: [Mailman-Developers] LMTP delivery (was Re: ANNOUNCE: GNU Mailman 3.0a1 (Leave That Thing Alone))

2008-04-14 Thread David Champion
> Okay. BTW, wouldn't you think that the majority of messages sent to a > Mailman list will have exactly one RCPT? Cross-posting is relatively > rare for most sites, isn't it? Just another data point: I don't have experience at most sites, but here cross-posting is extremely common. For exa

Re: [Mailman-Developers] LMTP delivery (was Re: ANNOUNCE: GNU Mailman 3.0a1 (Leave That Thing Alone))

2008-04-14 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Apr 14, 2008, at 10:44 AM, Ian Eiloart wrote: > > > --On 14 April 2008 09:20:43 -0400 Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Okay. BTW, wouldn't you think that the majority of messages sent >> to a >> Mailman list will have exactly one RCP

Re: [Mailman-Developers] LMTP delivery (was Re: ANNOUNCE: GNU Mailman 3.0a1 (Leave That Thing Alone))

2008-04-14 Thread Ian Eiloart
--On 14 April 2008 09:20:43 -0400 Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Apr 14, 2008, at 8:07 AM, Ian Eiloart wrote: >> --On 12 April 2008 11:18:09 -0400 Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> So you mean that most SMTPd's will

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Google Summer of Code - Spam Defense

2008-04-14 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Apr 3, 2008, at 6:19 AM, Ian Eiloart wrote: > X.1.1 Bad destination mailbox address > X.2.4 Mailing list expansion problem > X.5.3 Too many recipients > X.7.2 Mailing list expansion prohibited > The sender is not authorized to send a messa

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Google Summer of Code - Spam Defense

2008-04-14 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Apr 3, 2008, at 1:28 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > >>> Unfortunately, tuning list settings that have to do with filtering >>> is >>> not and never really was something that you want people who have >>> never >>> even set up an MTA to do. Und

[Mailman-Developers] LMTP delivery (was Re: ANNOUNCE: GNU Mailman 3.0a1 (Leave That Thing Alone))

2008-04-14 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Apr 14, 2008, at 8:07 AM, Ian Eiloart wrote: > --On 12 April 2008 11:18:09 -0400 Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> So you mean that most SMTPd's will have accepted the message by >> they time >> they issue the DATA to the LMTP? > > Exi

Re: [Mailman-Developers] ANNOUNCE: GNU Mailman 3.0a1 (Leave ThatThing Alone )

2008-04-14 Thread Julian Mehnle
Mark Sapiro wrote: > I don't think that's what Ian is saying. The key word is 'selectively'. > I.e. the SMTP server can still reject the incoming message, but once > it has seen the DATA, it can only reject the entire message; it can't > reject a subset of RCPTs. There is http://www.courier-mta.or

Re: [Mailman-Developers] ANNOUNCE: GNU Mailman 3.0a1 (Leave ThatThing Alone)

2008-04-14 Thread Ian Eiloart
--On 12 April 2008 12:06:06 -0700 Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't think that's what Ian is saying. The key word is 'selectively'. > I.e. the SMTP server can still reject the incoming message, but once > it has seen the DATA, it can only reject the entire message; it can't > re

Re: [Mailman-Developers] ANNOUNCE: GNU Mailman 3.0a1 (Leave That Thing Alone)

2008-04-14 Thread Ian Eiloart
--On 12 April 2008 11:18:09 -0400 Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> IIRC, this is going to be called when the "\r\n.\r\n" terminator to >>> the >>> DATA command is seen. That might be an interesting place to hook in >>> content filtering. >> >> Yes, that's the earliest opportunity to

Re: [Mailman-Developers] before next release: disable backscatterin default installation

2008-04-14 Thread Ian Eiloart
--On 12 April 2008 12:02:45 -0400 Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Mar 31, 2008, at 6:15 AM, Ian Eiloart wrote: > >> As far as DKIM is concerned, I think Mailman already can re-sign >> messages. >> I don't remember the details, thou