Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

2009-08-31 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Barry Warsaw writes: > Let's say I just joined the XEmacs development mailing list after a > long absence. Hey, welcome back! Do you plan to return to Supercite maintenance? > I find a message in the archive from two years ago that is relevant > to an issue I'm having. I'd like to follow

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

2009-08-31 Thread David Champion
* On 31 Aug 2009, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > Mailman will always still collect the raw data for messages sent to > the list. There are legitimate uses for allowing outsiders access > to that data (say, the list is moving and you want to migrate the > archives), so I think we always want to support

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

2009-08-31 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Aug 31, 2009, at 4:48 PM, David Champion wrote: I'm going to embracing and extend something Barry suggested in private mail. He suggested a list setting that permits signed-in list subscribers to download raw archives if they have some 'archive-approved' status. What if that is a three-way

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation codefrom Mailman 3

2009-08-31 Thread C Nulk
Mark Sapiro wrote: > Barry Warsaw wrote: > >> On Aug 31, 2009, at 1:15 PM, C Nulk wrote: >> >> >>> As for using robots.txt, hmm, it is not the legitimate search >>> engines I >>> care about, it is the search engines/crawlers that do not respect my >>> robots.txt file that I care about.

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

2009-08-31 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Aug 31, 2009, at 4:41 PM, Dale Newfield wrote: Maybe the appropriate modifications from the original message would be to add as a "To" address the current list address iff it does not appear in the To or CC addresses in the archived message (and to re- set ReplyTo, if reply-to-munging is

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

2009-08-31 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Aug 31, 2009, at 4:39 PM, C Nulk wrote: Now, totally off-topic, anyone have a recommendation for a book on learning Python so I am no longer truly dangerous, just slightly. There are zillions of books available now for learning Python (I think there was only 1 when I first learned it 15 y

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

2009-08-31 Thread Dale Newfield
Barry Warsaw wrote: Now I can hit 'reply' and inject myself seamlessly into that 2 year old thread. As long as the mailing list name/address hasn't migrated/changed in the interim... Good point. ...perhaps the original message munged to ensure current accuracy of the to/cc/reply-to fields?

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

2009-08-31 Thread C Nulk
Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Aug 31, 2009, at 1:15 PM, C Nulk wrote: > >> I am pretty sure allowing the raw email addresses to be available is >> going to go over like a lead balloon here. Anything (however minor) to >> help protect the users/clients email addresses is helpful despite what >> others

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

2009-08-31 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:00 PM, Dale Newfield wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: Let's say I just joined the XEmacs development mailing list after a long absence. I find a message in the archive from two years ago that is relevant to an issue I'm having. I'd like to follow up to that message using

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

2009-08-31 Thread Dale Newfield
Barry Warsaw wrote: Let's say I just joined the XEmacs development mailing list after a long absence. I find a message in the archive from two years ago that is relevant to an issue I'm having. I'd like to follow up to that message using my normal mail toolchain, but I found the archive page

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation codefrom Mailman 3

2009-08-31 Thread Mark Sapiro
Barry Warsaw wrote: > >On Aug 31, 2009, at 1:15 PM, C Nulk wrote: > >> As for using robots.txt, hmm, it is not the legitimate search >> engines I >> care about, it is the search engines/crawlers that do not respect my >> robots.txt file that I care about. If I had an effective way to >> consiste

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

2009-08-31 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Aug 31, 2009, at 1:15 PM, C Nulk wrote: I am pretty sure allowing the raw email addresses to be available is going to go over like a lead balloon here. Anything (however minor) to help protect the users/clients email addresses is helpful despite what others think. It is fine if someone c

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

2009-08-31 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Aug 29, 2009, at 3:01 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Barry Warsaw writes: What I'm thinking is that there should be a "send me this message" link in the archive, which gets you a copy as it was originally sent to the list. That let's you jump into a conversation as if you'd been there o

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

2009-08-31 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Aug 29, 2009, at 1:10 AM, Bernd Siggy Brentrup wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 18:03 -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote: What I'm thinking is that there should be a "send me this message" link in the archive, which gets you a copy as it was originally sent to the list. That let's you jump into a con

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

2009-08-31 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Aug 29, 2009, at 12:21 AM, Jeff Breidenbach wrote: Yes. It is critical to keep user perception in mind. Specifically, if you don't keep email addresses off the global search engines, there will be a deluge of vocal complaints from users who neither care about nor understand the technical

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

2009-08-31 Thread C Nulk
I am pretty sure allowing the raw email addresses to be available is going to go over like a lead balloon here. Anything (however minor) to help protect the users/clients email addresses is helpful despite what others think. It is fine if someone considers the obfuscation that Mailman uses is tri