Re: [Mailman-Developers] Camera-ready option to mitigate DMARC issues

2016-11-06 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Alessandro Vesely writes: > Camera-ready is cleaner than anything I have heard till now. Clean, maybe, but Mark explained why the scheme is fragile even if you can get participation. The killer problem is personalization, but the other problems are also intractable. Serial numbers in the

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Camera-ready option to mitigate DMARC issues

2016-11-06 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 11/06/2016 09:58 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: > > Camera-ready is cleaner than anything I have heard till now. > Probably it is not workable, but I cannot understand why. It works well > in several publishing environments, typically journals, which distribute > templates to authors. Why

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Camera-ready option to mitigate DMARC issues

2016-11-06 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Sun 06/Nov/2016 09:17:53 +0100 Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Alessandro Vesely writes: The idea is to add a footer only in case it is not present, Aside from the technical difficulties that Mark describes, this suffers from a really big defect: for this to be actually useful, you'd need

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Camera-ready option to mitigate DMARC issues

2016-11-06 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Sat 05/Nov/2016 19:51:13 +0100 Mark Sapiro wrote: On 11/05/2016 04:11 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: The idea is to add a footer only in case it is not present, similar to what is done with subject_prefix. By properly setting both of them, a sender can submit what can be called a

Re: [Mailman-Developers] MM3 DMARC mitigations

2016-11-06 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Removing known MM-DEV subscribers, the CC list is getting long. David Andrews writes: > At 11:06 AM 11/5/2016, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > >However, I've just become aware that Microsoft has implemented another > >"feature". [...] one of the tests is the To: and > >From: addresses are the same.

[Mailman-Developers] Camera-ready option to mitigate DMARC issues

2016-11-06 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Alessandro Vesely writes: > The idea is to add a footer only in case it is not present, Aside from the technical difficulties that Mark describes, this suffers from a really big defect: for this to be actually useful, you'd need near-100% participation (Authenticated Received Chain has the same