Re: [Mailman-Developers] Protecting email addresses from spam harvesters

2002-02-26 Thread John Morton
On Tuesday 26 February 2002 16:52, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > >>>>> "John" == John Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > John> I find this feature is handy for small, private lists. > > Sure. I have a couple that could be handled that wa

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Protecting email addresses from spam harvesters

2002-02-25 Thread John Morton
On Tuesday 26 February 2002 15:47, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > On 2/25/02 6:38 PM, "Stephen J. Turnbull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > BAW> 5) list rosters > > > > I don't know of any lists where these are available to the members, > > let alone the public. > > You know, now that I think about it

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Interesting study -- spam on postedaddresses...

2002-02-21 Thread John Morton
On Friday 22 February 2002 18:58, Dale Newfield wrote: > On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, John Morton wrote: > > Ok. Show me a solution > > The point is that adding layer after layer of temporary solutions doesn't > add up to an actual solution any more than not adding those layers

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Interesting study -- spam on postedaddresses...

2002-02-21 Thread John Morton
On Friday 22 February 2002 18:36, Dale Newfield wrote: > On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, John Morton wrote: > > The best we can do here is implement something simple now that gets the > > job done, and continuously test it to see if it's still good enough. > > When it's not,

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Save the world from spam

2002-02-21 Thread John Morton
On Friday 22 February 2002 16:36, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > > Excellent. Would you mind publishing an analysis so we can start making > > some informed decisions as to what methods are effective? > > Oh, that's easy. I haven't found evidence of any harvesting. I've also been > able to find eviden

[Mailman-Developers] Save the world from spam

2002-02-21 Thread John Morton
On Friday 22 February 2002 14:36, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > On 2/21/02 5:25 PM, "John Morton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Nobody has bothered to do this YET. That we know of. But the spamhacks > >> are evolving rapidly. > > > > Well, let&#x

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Interesting study -- spam on postedaddresses...

2002-02-21 Thread John Morton
On Friday 22 February 2002 11:20, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > On 2/21/02 2:00 PM, "John Morton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think we're really getting into wild speculation territory here. No one > > will bother hacking the code to automatically get new fre

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Interesting study -- spam on postedaddresses...

2002-02-21 Thread John Morton
On Friday 22 February 2002 05:28, Dale Newfield wrote: > On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Damien Morton wrote: > > Making a private archive available to those who are list members > > I haven't commented on this before, but the reason I find this solution > lacking is that most mailman lists (in my experience

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Interesting study -- spam on postedaddresses...

2002-02-20 Thread John Morton
On Thursday 21 February 2002 18:41, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > There is some validity to the "the club" mentality, of "we don't have to > fix it, we only have ot make it difficult enough to convince them to annoy > someone else". But if we assume we're building the New Defacto Standard > Listserve

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Interesting study -- spam on postedaddresses...

2002-02-20 Thread John Morton
On Thursday 21 February 2002 18:08, Dale Newfield wrote: > On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, John Morton wrote: > > It's a test to find out if the agent that requested the page is human or > > some bot of some sort. > > Assuming you can build such a test. Good luck. Building a good

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Interesting study -- spam on postedaddresses...

2002-02-20 Thread John Morton
On Thursday 21 February 2002 17:15, Dale Newfield wrote: > On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, Damien Morton wrote: > > Web Forms for contacting the admin cold. If the admin replies, you can > > continue the conversation via email. > > Right, assuming the web form doesn't break. Monitor the form. Your monitori

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Interesting study -- spam on posted addresses...

2002-02-18 Thread John Morton
On Tuesday 19 February 2002 04:21, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: > On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 09:37:31PM -0800, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > > > I never understood why mailman wasn't changed to allow users to change > > > there own addresses years ago. Being able to add valid receiving > > > addresses would he

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Interesting study -- spam on posted addresses...

2002-02-17 Thread John Morton
On Monday 18 February 2002 17:56, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > On 2/17/02 8:39 PM, "John Morton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If they can set up admin specific accounts that redirect to /dev/null, > > then they can set up procmail to drop HTML mail, and say they&#

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Interesting study -- spam on posted addresses...

2002-02-17 Thread John Morton
On Monday 18 February 2002 17:02, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > On 2/17/02 7:48 PM, "Larry McVoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Second, the point is that even if mailman is 100% perfect, it's not > > at all clear that that would result in even 1% less spam hitting home. > > If that's even remotely cl

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman + PostgreSQL

2001-02-21 Thread John Morton
On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:32:44 -0500 Chris Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all, > > I've been using Mailman on our web site for open source development of > "serious business software." http://www.greatbridge.org/. We are > interested in seeing Mailman have a PostgreSQL database back

Re[2]: [Mailman-Developers] Big checkins a'comin'!

2001-02-14 Thread John Morton
On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:12:49 +1100 Andrew McNamara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >JM> Might as well add code to convert the password from the > >JM> depreciated form to the current default if one of the fallback > >JM> methods succeeds, then set the fallbacks to cascade over > >JM>

Re[2]: [Mailman-Developers] Big checkins a'comin'!

2001-02-14 Thread John Morton
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:59:15 -0500 Barry A. Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>>>> "JM" == John Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > JM> Might as well add code to convert the password from the > JM> depreciated form to th

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Big checkins a'comin'!

2001-02-14 Thread John Morton
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:57:12 -0500 Barry A. Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hmm, other than that, there's a few more bounce detectors. Also, I'm > ditching the crufty md5/crypt munging of passwords and opting for an > sha1 hash always. However, to support backwards compatibility > (i.e. the