Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman and Submission port

2009-11-30 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 30, 2009, at 6:28 AM, Ian Eiloart wrote: Autoconfiguration shouldn't be too hard. Mailman has to be configured with a hostname. There are three options for the port: custom configuration 587 25 Mailman can test the connectivity of each in turn, on the first message that it sends. Ca

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman and Submission port

2009-11-30 Thread Ian Eiloart
--On 29 November 2009 21:07:28 -0500 Barry Warsaw wrote: On Nov 29, 2009, at 8:55 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: I still don't think it's a good idea until we've checked that most popular OS distros supply all their MTAs configured to accept on port 587, and we had better have a bullet-proo

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman and Submission port

2009-11-29 Thread Stefan Förster
* Patrick Ben Koetter : > From my daily work with mailman the following "modified in some way"-tasks > come to my mind immediately: > > - apply client and content policy that differs from the port 25 anti-spam > policy > - add DKIM signatures because it is clear mailman messages are ORIGINATING

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman and Submission port

2009-11-29 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 29, 2009, at 8:55 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: I still don't think it's a good idea until we've checked that most popular OS distros supply all their MTAs configured to accept on port 587, and we had better have a bullet-proof autoconfigurator for it. MTA issues are the biggest FAQ that

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman and Submission port

2009-11-29 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Patrick Ben Koetter writes: > To clarify: I don't want to require users to authenticate in order > to allow them to send. I want mailman to use a stanardized port for > message submission (and that brings in the authentication > requirement). Oh, so this is outgoing? Now I see. I still don'

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman and Submission port

2009-11-29 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
* Barry Warsaw : > On Nov 29, 2009, at 4:30 AM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: > > >What would we have to do, to make port 587 the default port? In > >section 4 the > >RFC says, a MSA MUST do all of the following: > > > >1. General Submission Rejection Code > >2. Ensure All Domains Are Fully-Qualified

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman and Submission port

2009-11-29 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 29, 2009, at 4:30 AM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: What would we have to do, to make port 587 the default port? In section 4 the RFC says, a MSA MUST do all of the following: 1. General Submission Rejection Code 2. Ensure All Domains Are Fully-Qualified 3. Require Authentication To cut

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman and Submission port

2009-11-29 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
* Stephen J. Turnbull : > Patrick Ben Koetter writes: > > > I'd like to propose a change in MM3s default SMTP client port from port 25 > > (transport) to port 587 (submission). > > I don't see a real justification for such a change, given the > authentication requirement. While Mailman can be

[Mailman-Developers] Mailman and Submission port

2009-11-29 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Patrick Ben Koetter writes: > I'd like to propose a change in MM3s default SMTP client port from port 25 > (transport) to port 587 (submission). I don't see a real justification for such a change, given the authentication requirement. While Mailman can be used in relatively closed setups, its

[Mailman-Developers] Mailman and Submission port

2009-11-29 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
MM developers, I'd like to propose a change in MM3s default SMTP client port from port 25 (transport) to port 587 (submission). Why? From my point of view mailman rather is a mail component that introduces messages into a mail system than one that sits between MTAs and assists in transporting mes