Re: [Mailman-Developers] Thinking about list footers

2014-06-09 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Murray S. Kucherawy writes: > On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:39 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull > wrote: > > > If I understand you correctly, we actually already have the mechanics > > for this in place. Most sites like Yahoo! allow you to whitelist a > > sender. "You" here is the individual Yahoo! use

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Thinking about list footers

2014-06-09 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:39 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > If I understand you correctly, we actually already have the mechanics > for this in place. Most sites like Yahoo! allow you to whitelist a > sender. This could be extended to allow whitelisting based on the RFC > 2369 List-Post field

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Thinking about list footers

2014-06-05 Thread Richard Damon
On 6/4/14, 11:39 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Richard Damon writes: > > > There are some domains (like banks but NOT Yahoo and AOL) whose email is > > important to verify identity of sender, who should have some form of > > certificate that shows they have been verified by a trusted 3rd part

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Thinking about list footers

2014-06-04 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Richard Damon writes: > There are some domains (like banks but NOT Yahoo and AOL) whose email is > important to verify identity of sender, who should have some form of > certificate that shows they have been verified by a trusted 3rd party > (like Https certs). The 3rd party verification keeps

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Thinking about list footers

2014-06-04 Thread Richard Damon
On 6/4/14, 4:23 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Murray S. Kucherawy writes: > > > We didn't intend for this to be used by MUAs, however, so to some degree > > they're doing what we expected. > > I know, but I think it's time for the IETF to recognize that email > fraud cannot be fought if the re

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Thinking about list footers

2014-06-04 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Murray S. Kucherawy writes: > We didn't intend for this to be used by MUAs, however, so to some degree > they're doing what we expected. I know, but I think it's time for the IETF to recognize that email fraud cannot be fought if the receiving end of "end-to-end" doesn't go all the way through

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Thinking about list footers

2014-06-02 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 4:30 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Also, the last time partial signatures came up, it was pointed out > that there are *no* MUAs that differentiate between signed parts and > unsigned parts. You don't get a warning when your eyes move from a > signed part to an unsigne

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Thinking about list footers

2014-05-31 Thread Andreas Schulze
Murray S. Kucherawy: And along those lines, do any MUAs do useful things with the various List-* fields, other than permitting one to sort on them? Hello, I think, that is the real problem: There are RFCs 2369 and 2919 and virtually no MUA implement them *usefull*. I do sort my inbound m

[Mailman-Developers] Thinking about list footers

2014-05-31 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Murray S. Kucherawy writes: > What's the expertise on the idea of adding footers in a new MIME text/plain > part rather than just bolting it onto the text as-is? (Or is that already > done?) What do MUAs generally do with multipart text/plain bodies? As Mark and Barry point out, the MUAs-for

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Thinking about list footers

2014-05-30 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 05/30/2014 10:35 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > > What's the expertise on the idea of adding footers in a new MIME text/plain > part rather than just bolting it onto the text as-is? (Or is that already > done?) What do MUAs generally do with multipart text/plain bodies? This is what Mailm

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Thinking about list footers

2014-05-30 Thread Barry Warsaw
I'm really sorry I haven't had time to catch up on the various DMARC threads, but I'm hoping to do so early next week. On May 30, 2014, at 10:35 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: >What's the expertise on the idea of adding footers in a new MIME text/plain >part rather than just bolting it onto the t

[Mailman-Developers] Thinking about list footers

2014-05-30 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
Right now list footers are a common feature of Mailman and other MLMs. The typical way of doing this is to just append some content, probably after "--", that indicates the location of archives and maybe some administrative information (unsubscribe instructions, for example). What's the expertise