[Mailman-Developers] can't use mailmanctl -s start

2002-01-09 Thread Fil
I don't know how to properly set up my system so that mailman restarts after a crash. I've just experienced one a few minutes ago, and here's the situation # /etc/init.d/mailman start Starting list server: mailman. The master qrunner lock could not be acquired. It appears as though there is a s

[Mailman-Developers] bad!

2002-01-09 Thread Fil
Here's what one of our lists' moderators receive, once in a while, since we updated Mailman to the current CVS. So there's "bad marshal data", but in which file? What to do? (I guess it's people trying to unsubscribe.) > MailCommandHandler.ParseMailCommand() > > Traceback (most recent call las

Re: [Mailman-Developers] bad!

2002-01-09 Thread Fil
In fact it was happening with all lists. I traced the problem to data/pending.db, which I removed, and the Mailman went on fine thereafter. Maybe it was because this file was mistakenly with permissions root.mailman 640 ? The trace error message was not very helpful, but I'm OK now. @ Fil <[EMAIL

[Mailman-Developers] documentation for config.pck elements?

2002-01-09 Thread Jason R. Mastaler
Are the contents of a Mailman configuration "database" (config.db/config.pck) documented anywhere? In particular, the various keys. Keys such as "members", "digest_members", and "owner" are obvious, but others aren't so. I can probably figure them out with some digging, but I'd like to have som

Re: [Mailman-Developers] documentation for config.pck elements?

2002-01-09 Thread Dan Mick
They're rapidly changing, so probably not. Barry adds new things all the time, and changes functions of them, etc. In other words, I wouldn't call Mailman's MailList object (which is really what that file contains) a public API. It might be that inverting the problem might be the right answer: M

Re: [Mailman-Developers] documentation for config.pck elements?

2002-01-09 Thread Barry A. Warsaw
> "DM" == Dan Mick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: DM> They're rapidly changing, so probably not. Barry adds new DM> things all the time, and changes functions of them, etc. DM> In other words, I wouldn't call Mailman's MailList object DM> (which is really what that file contain

Re: [Mailman-Developers] documentation for config.pck elements?

2002-01-09 Thread Dan Mick
> DM> It might be that inverting the problem might be the right > DM> answer: Mailman 2.1 goes through an API for all "member"-type > DM> queries, and so perhaps storing the member info external to > DM> config.db via a new "member-adaptor" interface, so that TMDA > DM> could

Re: [Mailman-Developers] bad!

2002-01-09 Thread Barry A. Warsaw
> "F" == Fil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: F> In fact it was happening with all lists. I traced the problem F> to data/pending.db, which I removed, and the Mailman went on F> fine thereafter. Maybe it was because this file was mistakenly F> with permissions root.mailman 640 ?

Re: [Mailman-Developers] documentation for config.pck elements?

2002-01-09 Thread Barry A. Warsaw
> "DM" == Dan Mick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: DM> Actually, I was semi-proposing that MemberAdaptor was mature DM> enough to be drop-in-replaced by something that TMDA supplies, DM> but I can't quite tell if you're disagreeing or not. MemberAdaptor, yes, I think it's mature eno

Re: [Mailman-Developers] documentation for config.pck elements?

2002-01-09 Thread Dan Mick
> DM> No, I'm not trying any marriage, nor any realtime lookups, > DM> just using its prewired heuristics (from a .forward file, as I > DM> don't own my mailserver). It's a "look at the message and try > DM> to intuit if it's spam" solution, so it doesn't use any > DM> whitel

Re: [Mailman-Developers] documentation for config.pck elements?

2002-01-09 Thread Barry A. Warsaw
> "DM" == Dan Mick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: DM> SA >> I read about SA briefly and it looks like you could run it in a >> client/server arrangement. DM> Yeah; it runs as a relatively-big Perl wad normally, but for DM> efficiency you can start it as a daemon and then r

Re: [Mailman-Developers] can't use mailmanctl -s start

2002-01-09 Thread Barry A. Warsaw
> "F" == Fil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: F> I don't know how to properly set up my system so that mailman F> restarts after a crash. I've just experienced one a few minutes F> ago, and here's the situation This is a tricky bit of code, where it's trying to transfer ownership of