On 30 Apr 2014, at 9:32 am, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:
They are also rewriting From: headers in outgoing googlegroups posts
whose original From: address is in a domain with DMARC p=reject.
Is yahoo doing the same thing for yahoo groups?
Peter Shute
It has been my experience that Yahoo is handling email for pacbell.net,
sbcglobal.net, hotmail, and yes even Comcast, as well as a business domain
hosted through sbcglobal - all based on a review of the bounce notices I’ve
received for the lists I manage. Other info - my lists are hosted at
On Apr 30, 2014, at 5:11 AM, Peter Shute psh...@nuw.org.au wrote:
On 30 Apr 2014, at 9:32 am, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:
They are also rewriting From: headers in outgoing googlegroups posts
whose original From: address is in a domain with DMARC p=reject.
Is yahoo doing the same
At Mon, 28 Apr 2014 16:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Gregori Kurtzman, DDS
drimpla...@aol.com.dmarc.invalid wrote:
Need some insight and help. I have recently taken over a list that is using
mailman v 2.1.14. And we are getting a lot of bounce notices regarding
members and de-activation's of their
At Tue, 29 Apr 2014 15:55:21 -0400 Conrad G T Yoder cgtyo...@alum.mit.edu
wrote:
On Apr 29, 2014, at 1:04 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote:
Large services
like Yahoo, AOL, and Hotmail seem to be respecting the policy despite
the adverse effect on their users (ie,
At Tue, 29 Apr 2014 16:32:18 -0700 Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:
On 04/29/2014 01:25 PM, Joseph Brennan wrote:
I think Gmail is doing the same. It's a touch evil to make mail from
aol and yahoo less deliverable than your own... but it's what they asked
for.
Gmail is
On Apr 29, 2014, at 4:17 PM, Craig Gaevert cga...@sonic.net wrote:
It has been my experience that Yahoo is handling email for pacbell.net,
sbcglobal.net, hotmail, and yes even Comcast, as well as a business domain
hosted through sbcglobal - all based on a review of the bounce notices I’ve
On 4/30/2014 9:20 AM, Larry Finch wrote:
They are also rewriting From: headers in outgoing googlegroups posts
whose original From: address is in a domain with DMARC p=reject.
Is yahoo doing the same thing for yahoo groups?
Yahoo doesn’t have to. Mail from a Yahoo group already has a Yahoo
On 04/30/2014 06:20 AM, Larry Finch wrote:
On Apr 30, 2014, at 5:11 AM, Peter Shute psh...@nuw.org.au wrote:
Is yahoo doing the same thing for yahoo groups?
Yahoo doesn’t have to. Mail from a Yahoo group already has a Yahoo domain in
the From field - the group address.
To be more
On 04/30/2014 07:20 AM, Larry Kuenning wrote:
I think the reason Yahoo groups don't have to rewrite the From line is
that even if the original sender uses an @yahoo address, passing the
message through a Yahoo groups server won't break the DMARC tests
because it's still a yahoo server and
On 1 May 2014, at 12:47 am, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:
On 04/30/2014 06:20 AM, Larry Finch wrote:
On Apr 30, 2014, at 5:11 AM, Peter Shute psh...@nuw.org.au wrote:
Is yahoo doing the same thing for yahoo groups?
Yahoo doesn’t have to. Mail from a Yahoo group already has a
Peter Shute writes:
Another question is what happens if yahoo groups receive aol
bounces. They might not use them to disable or unsubscribe members,
which would limit the damage to just non delivery.
Yahoo! is a proprietary service, not in the habit of telling anybody
what they're doing or
Need some insight and help. I have recently taken over a list that is using
mailman v 2.1.14. And we are getting a lot of bounce notices regarding members
and de-activation's of their subscriptions due to this. In the bounce notices
I get as list manager I see the following 'This message
On 04/28/2014 01:09 PM, Gregori Kurtzman, DDS wrote:
Need some insight and help. I have recently taken over a list that is using
mailman v 2.1.14. And we are getting a lot of bounce notices regarding
members and de-activation's of their subscriptions due to this. In the
bounce notices I
Gregori Kurtzman, DDS writes:
Your address drimpla...@aol.com.dmarc.invalid is invalid, I hope
you're reading the list.
Need some insight and help. I have recently taken over a list that
is using mailman v 2.1.14. And we are getting a lot of bounce
notices regarding members and
On Apr 29, 2014, at 1:04 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote:
Large services
like Yahoo, AOL, and Hotmail seem to be respecting the policy despite
the adverse effect on their users (ie, getting unsubscribed).
Pretty sure Hotmail has not set their dmarc record to reject. Where
On Tue, 2014-04-29 at 15:55 -0400, Conrad G T Yoder wrote:
On Apr 29, 2014, at 1:04 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org
wrote:
Large services
like Yahoo, AOL, and Hotmail seem to be respecting the policy
despite
the adverse effect on their users (ie, getting unsubscribed).
On Tue, 2014-04-29 at 15:18 -0500, Lindsay Haisley wrote:
On Tue, 2014-04-29 at 15:55 -0400, Conrad G T Yoder wrote:
On Apr 29, 2014, at 1:04 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull
step...@xemacs.org
wrote:
Large services like Yahoo, AOL, and Hotmail seem to be respecting
the policy despite the
Lindsay Haisley fmo...@fmp.com wrote:
They don't have to. All they have to do is respect AOL's and Yahoo's
DMARC p=reject record and bounce non-aligning email from these ESPs
accordingly.
I think Gmail is doing the same. It's a touch evil to make mail from aol
and yahoo less deliverable
On 04/29/2014 01:25 PM, Joseph Brennan wrote:
I think Gmail is doing the same. It's a touch evil to make mail from
aol and yahoo less deliverable than your own... but it's what they asked
for.
Gmail is honoring DMARC p=reject, but they have some magic for not
applying it to mail from some
On 04/29/2014 06:46 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
Actually probably not. I think the giveaway is the presense of the various
list specific headers (X-Mailman-Version:, List-Id:, List-Unsubscribe:,
List-Archive:, List-Post:, List-Help:, and List-Subscribe:). In other words,
they are using a
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 10:11 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:
And think about it. If it were based on the presence of various headers,
how long to you think it would take the black hats to figure out what
they were and just put those headers into their phishing mails?
:-) If not that,
Jim Popovitch writes:
In 2 years people will be wondering how DMARC did hardly anything to
slow miscreants, just like some wondered why SPF, DKIM, PGP, SenderID,
etc didn't solved all of mankind's problems.
N.B. PGP *would* solve the world's problems if the GPG folks would
spend more time
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