Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman

2001-02-18 Thread John Vorstermans
Ed Lazor wrote: Aren't these headers part of the "proposed" RFC? If so, you can't call the MUA non-RFC compliant, since the proposal hasn't been finalized and approved. Can anyone tell me what the RFC is that mentioned the headers. I am getting hasseled by some users and if I can point them

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman

2001-02-18 Thread Jonathan Lundell
John Vorstermans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed Lazor wrote: Aren't these headers part of the "proposed" RFC? If so, you can't call the MUA non-RFC compliant, since the proposal hasn't been finalized and approved. Can anyone tell me what the RFC is that mentioned the headers. I am getting

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman

2001-02-18 Thread Roger B.A. Klorese
On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, John Vorstermans wrote: Ed Lazor wrote: Aren't these headers part of the "proposed" RFC? If so, you can't call the MUA non-RFC compliant, since the proposal hasn't been finalized and approved. Can anyone tell me what the RFC is that mentioned the headers. I am

[Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman

2001-02-15 Thread Ellen J. Cramer
Hi, The Mailman headers are very verbose, is there a way to set the config so it is less obnoxious for the users? I am not using sendmail for anything else on this machine. We are using Mailman 2.0.1 on RedHat 7.1. -elly -

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman

2001-02-15 Thread Nigel Metheringham
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The Mailman headers are very verbose, is there a way to set the config so it is less obnoxious for the users? I am not using sendmail for anything else on this machine. We are using Mailman 2.0.1 on RedHat 7.1. The users should not be shown these headers by a sane

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman

2001-02-15 Thread Ed Lazor
The users should not be shown these headers by a sane MUA. If your MUA is forcing these headers on users then it is non-RFC compliant and should be taken out and shot. Aren't these headers part of the "proposed" RFC? If so, you can't call the MUA non-RFC compliant, since the proposal hasn't

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman

2001-02-15 Thread Ed Lazor
One question that has been asked repeatedly of the people on your side if this question and never answered: what MUAs show these headers by default? From feedback I've received, it appears Eudora is the most widely used MUA showing these headers. I think a few people were using old versions

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman

2001-02-15 Thread Roger B.A. Klorese
On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Ed Lazor wrote: From feedback I've received, it appears Eudora is the most widely used MUA showing these headers. I think a few people were using old versions of pine, dtmail, and Netscape Navigator. I'd have to double check to verify this, but I hope that helps.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman

2001-02-15 Thread Ed Lazor
I use Eudora at home all the time, though, and it DOESN'T show these headers by default... This is because you've upgraded Eudora to the most recent version and / or made changes to the TabooHeaders parameter in the eudora.ini file. Right? And if that's the case, are you suggesting people

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman

2001-02-15 Thread Phydeaux
At 01:09 PM 2/15/2001 -0800, Ed Lazor wrote: I use Eudora at home all the time, though, and it DOESN'T show these headers by default... This is because you've upgraded Eudora to the most recent version and / or made changes to the TabooHeaders parameter in the eudora.ini file. Right? And if

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman

2001-02-15 Thread Ed Lazor
HOWEVER, since the source code is freely available, you have it within your power to modify it and remove the offending lines of code that generate the "extra" headers. Do we *really* have to go through this again and again? How about adding something to the FAQ that describes what changes to

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman

2001-02-15 Thread Roger B.A. Klorese
On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Ed Lazor wrote: How about adding something to the FAQ that describes what changes to make? Well, (a) it's a rarely-asked, not frequently-asked, question, and (b) it will slow adoption of the RFC. -- ROGER B.A. KLORESE [EMAIL

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman

2001-02-15 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
How about adding something to the FAQ that describes what changes to make? Well, (a) it's a rarely-asked, not frequently-asked, question, and (b) it will slow adoption of the RFC. And because it's the wrong thing to do, and I don't want to see it encouraged or supported, even implicitly.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman

2001-02-15 Thread Jonathan Lundell
On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Ed Lazor wrote: How about adding something to the FAQ that describes what changes to make? Well, (a) it's a rarely-asked, not frequently-asked, question, and (b) it will slow adoption of the RFC. The question that drove the FAQ request above was: HOWEVER, since the source

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman

2001-02-15 Thread Ed Lazor
Well, (a) it's a rarely-asked, not frequently-asked, question, and (b) it will slow adoption of the RFC. If it's a rarely-asked question, then posting something for those who do ask should be seen as a step towards customer service and present no threat to adoption of the RFC. I originally

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman

2001-02-15 Thread Dan Mick
"again and again" sounds like a FAQ to me. Right. So let's add an entry to the FAQ: Q: How do I remove the List-* headers from Mailman's mail? A: You don't. -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman

2001-02-15 Thread Ed Lazor
Right. So let's add an entry to the FAQ: Q: How do I remove the List-* headers from Mailman's mail? A: You don't. It's a sad state of affairs when the value of a law or standard becomes greater than the concerns of the people it's supposed to support.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman

2001-02-15 Thread J C Lawrence
On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:17:35 -0800 Ed Lazor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I mentioned last week, forcing mailing list admins to make their subscribers switch email clients or make modifications to their current email clients is unreasonable. We have different definitions of "unreasonable". I

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman

2001-02-15 Thread Roger B.A. Klorese
On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Ed Lazor wrote: It's a sad state of affairs when the value of a law or standard becomes greater than the concerns of the people it's supposed to support. It's a sad state of affairs when you can't tell the difference between addressing people's concerns and following their

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman

2001-02-15 Thread J C Lawrence
On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:42:49 -0800 Ed Lazor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about adding something to the FAQ that describes what changes to make? When can we expect your patch for the FAQ? -- J C Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] -(*)

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman

2001-02-15 Thread Dan Mick
Right. So let's add an entry to the FAQ: Q: How do I remove the List-* headers from Mailman's mail? A: You don't. It's a sad state of affairs when the value of a law or standard becomes greater than the concerns of the people it's supposed to support. Ed, you are free to modify Open

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman

2001-02-15 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 2/15/01 4:28 PM, "Dan Mick" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a sad state of affairs when the value of a law or standard becomes greater than the concerns of the people it's supposed to support. Ed, you are free to modify Open Source software. Heck, I'll go further. It's a sad state of

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman

2001-02-15 Thread Ed Lazor
When can we expect your patch for the FAQ? I sent out a full listing of the changes I made to remove the headers last week. If someone else would like to create a patch, that would be great, because I don't know how to. This is one of the reasons why I was hoping to appeal to people on the