Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Mac OS X Server 10.3: Outgoingmessagesstuck in qrunner/in folder

2006-12-16 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Todd Zullinger writes: > I agree that if someone comes here with questions that are obviously > very dependent on some customization that their vendor has made that > they should be directed to check with the vendor. (Same goes for > users who need more basic help learning to use their OS of

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Mac OS X Server 10.3: Outgoingmessagesstuck in qrunner/in folder

2006-12-15 Thread Todd Zullinger
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Todd Zullinger writes: > > > Nothing wrong with that. It's why open source is so nice. I have > > the choice to find vendors and projects that share more of my > > values than others may. If FHS compliance is really important to > > you, you'll like the Red Hat mail

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Mac OS X Server 10.3: Outgoingmessagesstuck in qrunner/in folder

2006-12-15 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Todd Zullinger writes: > Nothing wrong with that. It's why open source is so nice. I have the > choice to find vendors and projects that share more of my values than > others may. If FHS compliance is really important to you, you'll like > the Red Hat mailman packages. The problem is that

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Mac OS X Server 10.3: Outgoingmessagesstuck in qrunner/in folder

2006-12-14 Thread Todd Zullinger
Brad Knowles wrote: > At 10:20 PM -0500 12/14/06, Todd Zullinger wrote: > >> But what value would MacOSX specific integrations be to the >> Mailman project? > > Well, if they fed their changes back to us, that would allow us to > incorporate that into future versions of the software, which woul

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Mac OS X Server 10.3: Outgoingmessagesstuck in qrunner/in folder

2006-12-14 Thread Brad Knowles
At 10:20 PM -0500 12/14/06, Todd Zullinger wrote: > But what value would MacOSX specific integrations be to the Mailman > project? Well, if they fed their changes back to us, that would allow us to incorporate that into future versions of the software, which would then be trivially easy for t

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Mac OS X Server 10.3: Outgoingmessagesstuck in qrunner/in folder

2006-12-14 Thread Todd Zullinger
Brad Knowles wrote: > Even if they have made the source code available for everything > they've done with regards to Mailman (which includes all their > proprietary management tools), this is not the same thing as > contributing that code back to the Mailman project. But what value would MacOSX

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Mac OS X Server 10.3: Outgoingmessagesstuck in qrunner/in folder

2006-12-14 Thread Mark Sapiro
Pierre Igot wrote: > >Believe it or not, I did check the FAQ before submitting my request. > >Try searching for all keywords "message stuck qfiles/in" or simply >for "qfiles" in the FAQ, for example. It doesn't return anything that >would have helped in my case. I believe you did check the FAQ, a

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Mac OS X Server 10.3: Outgoingmessagesstuck in qrunner/in folder

2006-12-14 Thread Brad Knowles
At 5:32 PM -0500 12/14/06, Todd Zullinger wrote: > Apple does provide the source code for their mailman packages. You > can browse it here: Even if they have made the source code available for everything they've done with regards to Mailman (which includes all their proprietary management to

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Mac OS X Server 10.3: Outgoingmessagesstuck in qrunner/in folder

2006-12-14 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Todd Zullinger writes: > Brad Knowles wrote: > > We can tell you what the Mailman-standard was is to start them, but > > Apple has created their own code to manage this aspect of Mailman > > operations and they haven't shared that with us. > > Apple does provide the source code for their m

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Mac OS X Server 10.3: Outgoingmessagesstuck in qrunner/in folder

2006-12-14 Thread Todd Zullinger
Brad Knowles wrote: > We can tell you what the Mailman-standard was is to start them, but > Apple has created their own code to manage this aspect of Mailman > operations and they haven't shared that with us. Apple does provide the source code for their mailman packages. You can browse it here:

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Mac OS X Server 10.3: Outgoingmessagesstuck in qrunner/in folder

2006-12-14 Thread Brad Knowles
At 2:03 PM -0400 12/14/06, Pierre Igot wrote: > Believe it or not, I did check the FAQ before submitting my request. I do believe it. > Try searching for all keywords "message stuck qfiles/in" or simply > for "qfiles" in the FAQ, for example. It doesn't return anything that > would have help

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Mac OS X Server 10.3: Outgoingmessagesstuck in qrunner/in folder

2006-12-14 Thread Pierre Igot
On 06-12-14, at 13:18, Carl Zwanzig wrote: >> But the reality was that, in all likelihood, this was a pretty basic >> problem that had to do with Mailman itself, that it probably had >> nothing to do with Apple's customizations, and that the most >> efficient way to get help was probably to submi

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Mac OS X Server 10.3: Outgoingmessagesstuck in qrunner/in folder

2006-12-14 Thread Carl Zwanzig
[not speaking for Mark, Barry, or really anyone but me] This is really the classic IT problem of unsupported configurations. In a flurry of recycled electrons, Pierre Igot wrote: > But the reality was that, in all likelihood, this was a pretty basic > problem that had to do with Mailman itself

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Mac OS X Server 10.3: Outgoingmessagesstuck in qrunner/in folder

2006-12-14 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Dec 14, 2006, at 3:18 AM, Terry Allen wrote: > I sent some docs through to Barry Warsaw a long time back, > but some oif the info contained in it are here: Hi Terry, would you consider fleshing out OS X support on the Mailman wiki? That's

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Mac OS X Server 10.3: Outgoingmessagesstuck in qrunner/in folder

2006-12-14 Thread Pierre Igot
On 06-12-14, at 03:51, Mark Sapiro wrote: > WRT to mailmanctl, apparently the Mailman qrunners were running at > some > time and then stopped. I don't know how they were started in the first > place or why they stopped. Perhaps a reboot of the server would have > started them again, perhaps not,

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Mac OS X Server 10.3: Outgoingmessagesstuck in qrunner/in folder

2006-12-14 Thread Terry Allen
>Mark Sapiro wrote: > >>Pierre Igot wrote: >> >>>On 06-12-13, at 19:31, Mark Sapiro wrote: >>> Pierre Igot wrote: > > I am running Mailman on an Xserve running Mac OS X Server 10.3.9. The > version of Mailman is the one included with Mac OS X Server 10.3.9. > (It's 2.1.2.)

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Mac OS X Server 10.3: Outgoingmessagesstuck in qrunner/in folder

2006-12-13 Thread Mark Sapiro
Mark Sapiro wrote: >Pierre Igot wrote: > >>On 06-12-13, at 19:31, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >>> Pierre Igot wrote: I am running Mailman on an Xserve running Mac OS X Server 10.3.9. The version of Mailman is the one included with Mac OS X Server 10.3.9. (It's 2.1.2.) >>> >>> >>> See