Hi All,

I used to use plain-ole mailman, WAY back in the '90s, BEFORE mailman2 and LONG before mailman3... And I sure wish mailman2 had been done by people who had a sense for the challenges for normal non-developer system managers to deal with the software they actually developed. I'm sure it's fine if you're already a Django programmer and use "containers" all the time, but I'm not a Django fanboy, don't ever care to be, and think the idea of containers is inappropriate technology for a hell of a lot of use-cases, especially a small, self-run, no-budget installation.

But maybe the worst is that the developers of that stuff can't be bothered to create a wrapper so you've got ONE consistent way to do things from the command line?! WTF?! What the he... OK, no reason to get into a rant. Ya know, I tried it, gave it a fair attempt, and given my experience, if I wrote what I think of it here, I might get banned!

So, I'm done with it and want to go back to the old stuff. I'll happily build from source, etc. But my simplistic web searches haven't returned results and I'm afraid I didn't keep great records about it back when since it was just a part of my Fedora package system!

So, any pointers for this long-in-the-tooth Fedora Sys Admin?

Thanks folks,
Richard

(from somewhere in San Franciso's east bay area...)
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