Moin Alex,
On 26 Apr 2023, at 19:04, Alexandre Takacs wrote:
Did anyone manage to “map” MM Flags to Outlook Flags (Categories
as they are called) ? Are they exposed in O365 / Exchange IMAP
(admittedly poor) implementation ?
I use [DavMail](https://davmail.sourceforge.net/) to access our comp
On 1 Mar 2023, at 11:14, Mike Brasch wrote:
> Thank you. I am testing…
And… it happened again. I'll send you a Mail via "Help > Send Feedback".
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On 1 Mar 2023, at 10:41, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
You can try it out before writing me since it might be related:
[MailMate_r5948.tbz](https://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/MailMate_r5948.tbz)
Thank you. I am testing…
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Damn, I forgot something:
- macOS 13.3b1
- MailMate: always latest test release
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Moin yours,
since several test versions, the main window shows a blank mailboxes
view when re-opening the main window. Then I open a new tab (and close
the old one) and mailboxes are back again.
I tried it with a fresh mailboxes.plist, but same behaviour. I could try
it with a complete fresh
Moin Chuck,
On 3 Feb 2023, at 14:06, The Chucker wrote:
I've been banging my head on the wall. My org uses MFA and I can't
get the Microsoft popup window when adding an Office365 Account.
I don't know if this would help: It looks like DavMail supports MFA.
DavMail is an IMAP/SMTP*DAV to Exc
Moin Zvi,
On 18 Jan 2023, at 3:42, Zvi Biener wrote:
After reading about davmail many times on this list, I decided to try
it. Love it. The server version is robust and having MM tags finally
show up in Exchange is great.
Yes. DavMail is a great tool. My livesaver. Especially since I can als
On 23 Oct 2022, at 14:03, Henry Seiden wrote:
Mike,
To your point MacOS has a similar idea in their settings but only for
their iCloud accounts.
It’s operating at the system level in MacOS, in “Hide My Email”
settings. It establishes an alternate address (redirecting to that
alternate ad
On 21 Oct 2022, at 1:45, Henry Seiden wrote:
I’m (un)lucky enough to have to filter many forms of junk mail
including traditional spam, among several accounts. Four out of eight
accounts have much more spam and much more activity, so I think that
the more active with good (non spam mail) an
On 12 Oct 2022, at 18:22, Glenn Parker wrote:
There is some documentation buried in the builtin help under the
“Hidden Preferences” section. If you search for “format
string” in that section, under “Other”, and follow the link,
you’ll get this (and only this):
Yes, I had also found that ea
Moin yours,
is there a way to force the rendering of Markdown? I have a few mailing
lists that use markdown in ```text/plain```, but without marking it with
```markup=markdown```.
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Moin yours,
I need an explanation of how the query language works, as it is used,
for example, in the "mailbox name format".
Currently I use
```${subject.blob:?${subject.blob:/capitalize}:${list-id.description:?${list-id.description/^[a-z]*\d.*/${from.name:${list-id.identifier.final-level:?${
I just found eM Client for macOS which let me add shared accounts. :)
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On 19 Nov 2021, at 20:59, Alexandre Takacs wrote:
Mailmate is a “pure” IMAP client - if IMAP is not available to you
I’m afraid you are out of luck
Yes. But I just found eM Client for macOS which lets me add shared
accounts. I'll test it next days and may be
für mich ausschaut, gibt es nur OWA für die Linuxer und Outlook
für macOS.
Oder kennt hier jemand eine Lösung für Linux und MacOS.
Ach ja, wichtig: IMAP ist nicht, obohl es unser Problem beheben würde.
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On 7 Nov 2021, at 20:00, Mike Brasch wrote:
Access another user mailbox: Either set base IMAP path in client
settings to /users/otheru...@company.com or use the following
username: domain\user\otheru...@company.com where
otheru...@company.com it target mailbox name.
The username way
On 28 Oct 2021, at 13:24, Mike Brasch wrote:
But: how can I add an account for another mailbox, but for which I
have to use the same login data as for my main account?
I just found this in the [FAQ](http://davmail.sourceforge.net/faq.html)
from DavMail:
Access another user mailbox
Moin Alain,
On 2 Nov 2021, at 12:36, aisrael wrote:
I can’t answer your question, but I was interested in the Exchange
categories you mention, as I have tried for years to sync smart
mailboxes between computers. I have been able to do this just for one
of them, using one of the few available
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Moin moin,
at work, I use MailMate and DavMail to access my mails. This works
really good (incl. Categories <-> Keywords.
Now I want to add another Account which is shared with me. But how? As I
understand I need to st the path prefix. I also tried it with
- User name: domain\first.name\an
On 22 Jul 2019, at 14:19, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote:
> Enjoy your vacation! Hamburg/Münich sounds wonderful!
Hamburg IS wonderful. :)
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On 18 Jan 2019, at 16:21, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
Does this work reliably for you?
Yes. Sometimes DavMail silently crashes (I'm on macOS 10.14.2). In this
case you will miss the menu extra and MailMate is telling you. But it is
worth it and this is the only chance to get tags synced.
-
On 18 Jan 2019, at 16:43, Robert Brenstein wrote:
Hmm, I wonder whether someone could run a DavMail server for others to
use for a fee, assuming that there is enough interest. Not all MM
users can/want to do that on their own.
DavMail is just a background service (with menu item) running on
Moin Alain,
On 17 Jan 2019, at 12:36, Alain Israel wrote:
I am using Mailmate on different computers, and as I work with an
Exchange server, the tags are not maintained from one computer to the
other.
I use [DavMail](http://davmail.sourceforge.net/) as a IMAP/SMTP-Exchange
gateway. It runs
On 11 Jan 2019, at 22:14, davecc wrote:
On Jan 11, 2019, at 12:10 PM, Sam Hathaway
wrote:
If coordinated right, it would centralize the thankless work of
kludging around nonstandard, broken IMAP server implementations.
Imagine if, instead of each MUA author having to develop, test, an
On 29 Dec 2018, at 20:09, Randall Gellens wrote:
> I'm curious, why are you asking for JMAP support in MailMate?
Read the 2nd link. It will probably explain it better than I could. :)
And maybe its implementation could help MailMate/Benny.
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I've just been reading:
- https://fastmail.blog/2018/12/27/jmap-is-on-the-home-straight/
- https://jmap.io
- https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/jmap/about/
I asked for it long time ago. Maybe it's more interesting now?
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On 21 Feb 2018, at 17:42, Ron Britton wrote:
I can see the advantages to it. TBH, my current approach to email is
not serving me well. I frequently get overwhelmed by all of the stuff
I get in a day. I'd love to try an inbox zero approach, but my inbox
has thousands of old emails that are
On 15 Jan 2018, at 11:15, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
This is available now.
Yes, now I can see it. :-)
Here is an example of the mailbox menu for a server with detailed
QUOTA support:
This is for a single quota
On 14 Jan 2018, at 16:57, Bill Cole wrote:
I'm not Benny, but I'm pretty sure that he has only implemented this
in the 1.x line (1.10r5451) and not in the 2.0BETA line, which last
got 1.x updates ported with r5443.
Ah… this could it be. :-)
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On 14 Jan 2018, at 11:36, Marc ARC wrote:
> I just did set mine to 0.0 and . . . all are showing.
I already tried this – no success.
> Otherwise it is over to Benny
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I have set the value to 0.5:
defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmQuotaWarningLevel 0.5
My account at Fastmail is around 70% but MailMate doesn't show any
quota. Apple Mails instead is able to show my quota.
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Where I can see the Quota? I see nothing. Maybe I look at the wrong places.
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On 30 Dec 2017, at 10:36, Jan Erik Moström wrote:
Is it possible to define a smart mailbox that lists all messages from
mailbox X in each account *without* having to list them individually?
Maybe this does what you want:
Mailboxes:
Conditions: Path> "X"
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On 10 Nov 2017, at 15:47, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
You asked for this [a very long time
ago](https://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/64-replying-mails-signature-in-replied-mail-should-be-cut-off)
:)
Oh yes… and I still miss it. :-)
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On 10 Nov 2017, at 4:59, Paul Sture wrote:
I see this with German messages too. Multiple instances of "AW:" seem
to be common.
This is often caused by clients like Outlook which translate the subject
into the language of the mail client. So that's not a specific German
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some times ago I asked for this feature and I really need it. I want to
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On 6 Nov 2017, at 11:27, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
MailMate should already do this,
MailMate does it, but only when replying. Is it a dumb idea to do it on
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On 3 Nov 2017, at 14:31, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
I copied a MailMate message to a folder. When I opened finder, the
message showed as a .eml file; when I double-clicked on it, it opened
Mail.app, which is not what I wanted. Will MailMate do the right
thing if I change the default app for
On 5 Nov 2017, at 14:51, Mike Brasch wrote:
Yes. With nearly all german users of Outlook and some other clients
you get subjects beginning with "Re: AW: Re: AW:". One "extension for
every reply. Recently I got a mail with "Re: Re:".
"AW:" ist german fo
On 4 Nov 2017, at 15:52, John Cooper wrote:
Andreas Borutta wrote (at 1:14 on 4 Nov 2017):
There is a nice extension, which eliminates the multiple "Re:" which
many damaged clients produce.
I haven't seen this problem occurring in MailMate. Have others?
Yes. With nearly all german users
On 15 Sep 2017, at 0:46, Robert Brenstein wrote:
Saved messages in Drafts might have been usable for this if MM allowed
to edit drafts as new messages as it does for sent messages.
The problem is: I only want to see draft mails in drafts. I use an badge
for not sent mails in the menu bar. I
On 13 Sep 2017, at 15:59, Youri SREBOT wrote:
Is there a way to make some templates in Mailmate (ie. “Answer to
customer”, “Answer to web request” etc…)?
I often use such pre-formated emails in my work.
I'm also interested in a templates feature. Saved messages in Drafts is
not suitable f
On 1 Jul 2017, at 23:03, Robert Brenstein wrote:
Re 1. The automatic mailing list recognition is not reliable enough. I
tried getting it to work but then opted to just create a manual setup:
a smart mailbox for each mailing list and an encompassing smart
mailbox that shows all lists together
Moin moin,
On 5 Jun 2017, at 11:35, Tobias Matthaeus wrote:
I am moving my mails to the archive via the Archive function. But in
the meanwhile this folders are very big. Is there any chance to create
automatically an yearly archive folder? Like some other mail clients
it does?
You could mak
On 19 Feb 2017, at 23:41, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
I'm looking for ways to have a mailbox that shows any email from a
specific group of people, similar to VIP in iOS or apple mail.
I have a helper smart folder named "ViP source" with
mailboxes: "All messages"
condition: "Tag
Am 23. Januar 2017 12:26:26 nachm. schrieb Benny Kjær Nielsen
:
Note that this
only works if MailMate is always an open application, but this is a
general issue with date-based rules.
Fastmail already has this feature. One can set the "permanently delete when
older than" for every folder in
Moin moin.
On 12 Jan 2017, at 8:18, Robert M. Münch wrote:
> Is there a way that I can make "newest first" a default?
Just add a date column (context menu on subject header) and sort by date. :-)
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Am 2. Dezember 2016 09:53:40 schrieb Benny Kjær Nielsen
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I get the idea, but I'm afraid this would be non-trivial to do. It's not
how tableviews work in general on OS X and I would need to make some
kind of hack. That might get ugly or it might not, but right now it's
not something
Moin Moin,
I have set MmMessagesOutlineMoveStrategy to none. Is it possible to set
the logical marker at the next or previuos item of the deleted one? I
definitely don't want that a item is selected after deleting, but I want
to be able to move to the next mail I want to see. Maybe you could
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Am 24. Oktober 2016 3:43:30 nachm. schrieb Benny Kjær Nielsen
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Sorry, that's unlikely to ever happen.
Agree. You should better spend your time to build an Android client. :)
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Moin moin,
something I really miss is highligting of search words in mail body and
header. Sometimes I have only a vague idea what I'm looking for and
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On 25 Jul 2016, at 11:19, Robert Brenstein wrote:
He would be better off to work only with iCloud since every Mac users
has access there or set up his own service tailored to his needs.
I never used iCloud and I have no intention to ever change this. I
prefer more "generic" ways of syncing. C
On 3 Jul 2016, at 20:31, Howard Wettstein wrote:
Is it possible to delete a single sub-smart-mailbox?
If the subfolder corresponds to a source (smart) mailbox, you could
exclude the source folder in the mailboxes tab. Or maybe you can define
a condition which will do it.
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On 3 Jul 2016, at 19:17, John D. Muccigrosso wrote:
I’m trying to name sub mailboxes to a smart mailbox by the account
name. The default os source.path results in several with the same name
“INBOX”, which of course isn’t very helpful.
What’s the magic word to use here (if there is one)?
Sou
On 26 Mar 2016, at 8:19, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:
It works now!
It doesn't work for me. The contact groups and the contacts from my work
adressbook are not shown in the address lookup window. They are also not
shown when typing in the to/cc/bcc field.
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Hi Benny,
I just see, that BusyContacts seems to use its own Contacts store. If
BusyMac provides an API for address lookup in BusyContacts, would you
build it into Mailmate?
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Moin moin Benny,
the CardDAV server at Fastmail supports multiple address books per
account. Alongside the "Default" adress book I want to use another one
for my job. While it is not accessible via OSX adressbook and Fastmail
web-frontend, it is via BusyContacts on OSX and via CardDAV-Adapter/
On 18 Jan 2016, at 15:00, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:
No, is grayed out.
Oh, perhaps because I'm in trial mode?! I have only 4-5 days of using
MailMate under my belt… ;-)
If I remember correctly MailMate allows three IDLE connections per
account. Could this be the case for you? Somewhere is an op
On 17 Jan 2016, at 11:39, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:
Is it possible to change the synchronization schedule under the 5
minutes that are actually the minimum?
Is the connected state not an option for you?
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On 16 Jan 2016, at 14:24, Marc ARC wrote:
I’m just trying a way NOT to show the messages I did send, since I
also get them from the list.
( an exemption that is worth looking at is what happen when one start
a one-on-one ( pm) communication about the thread.
"My" IMAP server sorts the list
On 27 Oct 2015, at 14:42, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
I'm pretty sure that would trigger a public demand for an iOS version
of MailMate :-) That's much easier to reject when I'm still on iOS 6
;-) (Disclaimer: There are *no* plans for an iOS version of MailMate.)
… but for an Android version. :
I forgot: The IMAP sorts all mailing lists by list-id (and in case of
two lists by to-header) into subfolders of "Mailinglisten".
In MailMate I have defined a smartfolder which builds subfolders by the
list name part of the IMAP folder (because of the two lists):
${#source.path.noinbo
On 26 Aug 2015, at 17:06, Thomas Eckhold wrote:
Due to the fact that the to-header contains "MailMate Users"
why not a rule based on this header?
There is also the List-Id header (mailmate.lists.freron.com).
This type of static regular postal sorting should better take place on
the IMAP ser
On 18 Aug 2015, at 22:51, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
Well, it works for me with BusyContacts. Although I had a problem
making it work when launching MailMate from its build folder. It
seemed I had to place it in `/Applications/` to make it work (I didn't
investigate this in detail)...
I have
You can change the font in nearly all views of MailMate with Format ->
Show Fonts. It will change the font of the active view.
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On 19 Jun 2015, at 16:31, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
On 19 Jun 2015, at 15:44, Shoshanna Green wrote:
Is there any way to see the release notes that accompany a new
version of MailMate (the changelog) without actually installing the
new version?
Sorry, that is currently not possible.
[Spar
On 27 May 2015, at 22:25, Mike Brasch wrote:
> [...] does not appear in my Inbox+Sent smart folder until a restart of MM.
… or if a new mail arrives…
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On 27 May 2015, at 14:38, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
You are welcome to send me a reproducible example, that is, an email
which triggers the problem when arriving in the Inbox (use “Forward
as Attachment”)
This is currently a general behavior when sending mails with MailMate.
Every mail I sen
Giulio Eulisse schrieb am 27.05.2015:
> NOT in A" sometimes I do see messages of A also in B, when a new
> message arrives. If I quit and start again, then those are gone.
Same problem here. Latest build (but also in earlier builds). I can provide
more details later if needed (I'm AFK).
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Maybe it's related: After sending an email the sent mail was filed into
trash instead of sent mail. (I wouldn't want to exclude that I have done
it accidentally.) The problem is now that I cannot move this mail to the
sent mail folder.
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When opening a mail via badge in menubar the mail pane has the focus. Is
there an option for having the focus on messages list? If not, then see
this (@Benny) as an feature request. :-)
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On 23 Feb 2015, at 19:09, Helen Holzgrafe wrote:
How can I revert to 5063 again?
You can get older builds
[here](http://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/?C=M;O=D).
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**Addendum**: Ah, I just see that you are using a gmail address: This
will not work with Gmail-accounts as they unfortunately throw away
messages sent back from list server – one of the reasons for me not
to use gmail.
Then I would try to include a condition which catches mailing list
posting
On 19 Feb 2015, at 5:59, David Morrison wrote:
That's fine if all your messages for a particular smart folder have
some common factor, such as a mailing list name. But what happens when
the mailing list changes its name or host or something?
I use this for my mailing lists:
- the IMAP sorts
Moin Moin!
I'm trying to make the names of submailboxes are named by their folder
without the full path. Currently I'm using the default
${#source.path.noinbox}
which leads into folder names like
Mailinglisten/MailMate
Now I want remove the "Mailinglisten/". How can I do thi
On 10 Feb 2015, at 13:35, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
You mean a shortcut to open the completion popup with all tags
(without any characters entered)?
Yes. For me this would be enough. Mouse centric people might want to
have a menu button (additionally).
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On 10 Feb 2015, at 12:31, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
Make sure you clear the “Mailbox name format” in the
“Submailboxes” pane. It's a bit subtle to make this work correctly
(because of the multiple values), but I think the above is a sign that
you have the “wrong” format string.
Aaaah, great.
Hmm… I just saw that the need to restart to update the smart
subfolders is not always nessessary. I tagged another mail with a new
tag and for this tag the corresponding subfolder apperared immediately
with correct name. But if I set another tag (one out of my previous
example) to this mail, it
In this case I have the options to show "plain text", "markdown" and
"convert markdown to HTML". The content is also not a binary blob.
Maybe there is a problem with markdown-only mails?
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H… I just saw some anomalies in my last posting to this list (Tags
and Submailboxes).
Why is my posting (which I got from list server) shown in plain text
instead of markdown? I also don't have the options (in View -> Message
Body Parts) to switch between "plain text" and "markdown" (they
Moin Moin!
I'm using the latest 64bit version of Mailmate. I have a little issue
with the subfolders of my smart folder "Tags". It is set up as
recommended in the latest release notes. If I have 3 mails with tags:
- MailA with "workinprogress"
- MailB with "important"
- MailC with "impo
Moin Moin!
Do you have plans to support [JMAP](http://jmap.io/).
**What is JMAP?**
JMAP is a transport-agnostic, stateless JSON-based API for
synchronising a mail client with a mail server. It is intended as a
replacement for IMAP. The specification is based on the API currently
used by F
On 19 Jan 2015, at 16:28, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
If a competition existed for “trick of the month” I'd say you
earned it for this one. Beautiful.
Thank you very much. :-)
But this will not work with Gmail addresses because Gmail deletes the
mails sent back from the list server. A bad beha
Moin Moin!
On 18 Jan 2015, at 18:41, Marco Carmosino wrote:
The only issue remaining is mailing lists: there are two "starting"
messages for the thread, one reflected by the mailing list and one
from my Sent Messages folder, showing up in my "Threaded Inbox".
MailMate hangs the thread off the
Moin Moin!
If I open a mail via a menu extra counter (same with notification/growl
banners) the mail view has the focus. But IMHO the message list should
have the focus. The current behavior needs three SHIFT+TABs for me to go
to the message list (I'm using the Correspondence Arc layout).
Ma
Moin Moin!
Why is this thread broken into 3 parts?
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On 23 Sep 2014, at 23:05, Rasmus Møller Selsmark wrote:
I'm using Gmail (company-wide solution, so cannot move to other
provider) and would like to organize mails into folders/smart
mailboxes. My workflow: Receives mails on approx. 20 different mailing
lists, which I would like to automaticall
Moin Moin!
On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Blair Hartsfield wrote:
Which describes these folders/files:
~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/
~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist
I'm not finding this directory or file on my original Mac that is
currently running Mailmate, and setup wi
On 27 Aug 2014, at 18:47, Mark Chapman wrote:
I have a number of emails that need to be automatically redirected to
someone else when they come in.
Is it possible to use rules (or if necessary a smart mailbox) to
redirect messages?
Is there a reason that you do not do this as a server rule?
+1
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> Am 26.08.2014 um 12:47 schrieb "Max Rydahl Andersen" :
>
>> On 8 Aug 2014, at 16:46, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
>>
>>> On 8 Aug 2014, at 16:24, Armando Seay wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>
>> I'll do that for you in a moment.
>>
>> Anyone else wanting to unsubscribe, please note t
On 22 May 2014, at 0:03, Felix Lange wrote:
> Falsche Liste?
Ja, merke ich auch gerade. :-) *tüdeldü*
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Moin!
Gibt es ein Tool, um in PDFs Zeichen(folgen) zu ersetzen? Ich hab hier
PDFs, die mit Latex erstellt wurden und wo Umlaute noch altschulisch,
also z.B. a", geschrieben wurden. Das erschwert das Suchen in den
Dokumenten unnötig.
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Gruß
Mike
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On 13 Apr 2014, at 6:23, Jim0266 wrote:
Experimenting I turned on
defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmDefaultBccHeader -string
I cannot figure out, or find in the MailMate documentation, the syntax
to turn off defaults one enabled.
I assume you want to delete this setting. In this case (->
On 31 Mar 2014, at 20:28, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
The only server-side filtering standard I know is Sieve, but I don't
even know if a GUI for Sieve exists on Mac OS X (theoretically, I
think it's possible to create such a GUI if the IMAP server supports
Sieve).
There is a [Sieve-App](https
On 13 Feb 2014, at 11:19, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
Rules with date-based conditions only work for messages becoming a
part of a mailbox for a different reason (initial arrival, mailbox
move, tag change, ...). It currently does not work in cases like what
you describe here.
There is no worka
On 11 Feb 2014, at 14:03, John Cooper wrote:
I believe I've looked in all the menus. I've looked at every
preference pane. And I've right-clicked a wide sample of mailboxes,
"smart" and otherwise. I can't find any rules settings.
You have to enable the "Experimental 2.0 Features" in the "Gene
On 11 Feb 2014, at 8:12, Mike Brasch wrote:
You can attach this rule to the "Deleted Messages" folder.
Oh... It is probably too early this morning. :-) I just saw that you put
this rule already on the "Deleted Messages" folder. It's time to get
some coffee.
A
On 11 Feb 2014, at 4:57, Dries Geeroms wrote:
Alternatively: is there a way for me to tell MailMate "always mark
all
messages in Trash 'read' if they are marked unread"? That's a bit
hackish, but it would do the trick.
You can use a mailbox rule for this, see attached screenshot.
I think the
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