> Benny has made so many updates to MailMate over the past year, I’d
> think version 2 is appropriate.
and it should be magenta
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> 1. Documents. These are always displayed as attachments in
> MailMate. This is because MailMate has never been able to display
> multi-page documents inline. (The “new” message view would possibly
> make this easier to add, but I haven't tried.)
> 2. Images. In this case, the PDF format is used i
>>> In release 6015 on MBP in Sonoma 14.2.1, all that’s needed:
>>> 1. Select your Source account in the left hand search bar.
>>> 2. Click (Menu>Mailbox>New IMAP Mailbox, “”), in the IMAP
>>>Source
>>>account where you’re creating a sub-mailbox.
>>> 3. Name the Untitled Mailbox. It’ll
henry,
> In release 6015 on MBP in Sonoma 14.2.1, all that’s needed:
> 1. Select your Source account in the left hand search bar.
> 2. Click (Menu>Mailbox>New IMAP Mailbox, “”), in the IMAP Source
>account where you’re creating a sub-mailbox.
> 3. Name the Untitled Mailbox. It’ll jump to t
when i want a new mailbox in an account, i have to NewIMAPMailbox, and
then rename it, and move it to the alpha sort order in the account.
these i can understand.
but then i have to EditIMAPAccount, EditSubscriptions and check the box
and commit so that the mailbx remains visible. this seems sill
> I recently migrated my stuff from an Intel Mac running up-to-date
> Sonoma to an M3 running up-to-date Sonoma. MailMate no longer appears
> on Preview's list of ways to share files, and I can't add it―there's
> no checkbox for in on the Extensions page under Settings.
confirmed, M3 sonoma mm 1.1
>> which i would really like to be per imap account
> Such an option should be per FROM address, which would be most flexible.
default From: is one of the list of attributes that i see as per
identity ~= account
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> +1 on that.
>
> Also settings selections for Header of new or replied message BCC, CC
> fields. Those actions seem to me a bit clunky and could use setting
> per account as well. ⌘+Return is somewhat handy, but a default
> setting/IMAP account might be better.
>
>>> We have: *defaults w
> We have: *defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmDefaultBccHeader
> -string m...@example.com* to set up a default BCC address.
which i would really like to be per imap account
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> Have you tried adjusting your settings in IMAP Settings (Menu Bar>
> MailMate>File>Edit IMAP Account> Account Name>IMAP Account
> Settings>SMTP Server)?
that agrees with right-click-INBOX/EditIMAPAccount/SMTPServer
== my smtp serer
> You should be able to enter those specifics and ha
m3/max 14.2
MailMate Version 1.14 (6010)
9c and cloudy
i have three acounts on this host. two use my smtp servers, one
orifice365
i am in the INBOX of the Sources for an account with smtp of my own
server. i compose
From: ra...@psg.com
To: ra...@psg.com
which should go out via my server.
fwiw, 14" M3 with MM 5964
sound enabled, notifications enabled
i get incoming boings but no sending swoosh
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> Everything specific to MM is in ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate
> except for a .plist file in ~/Library/Preferences/
that is what i thought until i found
```
ryuu.rg.net:/Users/randy> ls -l ~/com.freron.MailMate/Messages.noindex/
total 0
drwx--@ 6 randy staff 192 Sep 5 09:20 IMAP/
>>> The bundle should be in your `~/Library/Application\
>>> Support/MailMate/Bundles/` directory, probably as `emacs.mmbundle`.
>>
>> Settings / Bundles shows a list, but emacs is not there
>
> Suggest that you open that directory in Finder then go to Time Machine
> and flip back to a point prio
> The bundle should be in your `~/Library/Application\
> Support/MailMate/Bundles/` directory, probably as `emacs.mmbundle`.
Settings / Bundles shows a list, but emacs is not there
and
ryuu.rg.net:/Users/randy> ls ~/Library/Application\ Support/MailMate/
Database.noindex/ Messages
1.14 (5937)
somehow i lost the Commands / EditWithEmacs. is there some place i need
to go to enable it?
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On Sat, 17 Jun 2023 09:39:20 -0700,
Randy Bush wrote:
>
> > has anyone suggested a clean install/update of MM of the current
> > version (or a previous “Beta Release” version)?
>
> that was a bit extreme. lost all smtp/imaps credentials. where does
> mailmate store t
> has anyone suggested a clean install/update of MM of the current
> version (or a previous “Beta Release” version)?
that was a bit extreme. lost all smtp/imaps credentials. where does
mailmate store the account data so i can restore from time machine?
randy
>> i have four accounts, each with its own sent folder. if i send a
>> message from account A's From:, i kinda expect it to be filed in
>> A's sent folder. it seems to be random. so there must be a setting
>> i am missing.
>
> Special purpose folders for each account are denoted through the
> M
i have four accounts, each with its own sent folder. if i send a
message from account A's From:, i kinda expect it to be filed in
A's sent folder. it seems to be random. so there must be a setting
i am missing.
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oices may work around what you experience.
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Henry Seiden
> - -
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> E: infotechworksprocom
> W: http://techworkspro.com
>
> On 24 Apr 2023, at 13:05, Randy Bush wrote:
>
> > latest ventura
> > mailma
latest ventura
mailmate Version 1.14 (5964)
message addressing does not seem to use my mac addrss book. what am i
misunderstanding?
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ok, i am gonna try
https://github.com/simonrob/email-oauth2-proxy
in particular
https://github.com/simonrob/email-oauth2-proxy#oauth-20-client-credentials
anyone know how to extract the "existing client ID and secret" for
orfice365 from mailmate?
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> All emails are already on your local disk, in ~/Library/Application
> Support/MailMate/Messages/IMAP/*. Copy those elsewhere if you need to,
> but if you use Time Machine you already have a lot of backups of them.
cool beans. is there a user friendly way to see them if the external
imap goes bo
> The canonical recommendation for an IMAP server is Dovecot,
i use dovecot on real servers. i was hoping for something very
simple to run on laptop for local-only use. it'll take effort
to configure dovecot as a simple local imap-only server. sigh.
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corporate IT may do something overly creative. just in case, i want to
pull some years of email off the imap server onto local disk. there are
tools for this, but can mailmate do it in a way i can still access the
mail while on local disk?
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> I would try the option to take it off line, then try to put back the
> mailboxes configuration the way they were originally if they can be
> redone in MailMate when off line.
>
> Then restore the online mode of the account and see where that takes
> you.
mailbox gone with all content
i
i accidentally drag an imap mailbox to another one on the same server.
that server does not support sub-mailboxes. so mailmate loops telling
me that deletion of the moved mailbox fails, and asks if i want to tey
later, take the account offline, or retry.
what i want is "oops, forget it." expecia
> /me has old eyes and finds the hollowed out counters harder to see
ahhh. they are ok in dark mode. i happen to use light.
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> [MailMate_r5960.tbz](https://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/MailMate_r5960.tbz)
/me has old eyes and finds the hollowed out counters harder to see
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the thing i miss most from VM is being able to edit a received message.
you could edit anything, headers, body, ... but i think VM kinda died
some years ago.
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how does one choose the color of the counters in the menu bar?
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2020 intel mbp
ventura
mailmate Version 1.14 (5930
actually, one of my accounts is orifice365. and it seems to go
'unavailable' for long periods. and offline and online do not
help. it is as it becomes unauthed, and i do not know how to
force reauth.
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> So, If right-click IN AN EMAIL
but not in the link
> somehow the function is turned on and stays enabled
yep. confirmed, 2020 intel ventura
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> Is there any way to tell MM to download (and hence display inline)
> some of them, without downloading the others? E.g., perhaps I want to
> download and see the images from the CDN but not the buttons, and
> especially not the image from the suspicious-sounding "ktclick.com".
i have dreams of M
hi
> "The following can be used to add a BCC (blind carbon copy) header by
> default to all outgoing messages:
don't want bcc by default. want a settable or current from: to be at
top of select list when i choose to bcc.
> Using the special value "<.sender.>"
tasty!
randy
From: Travis Risner
> #!/bin/bash
> # Set the default bcc for various email addresses for MailMate
>
> # Desired behaviour:
> # Received BCC when replying
> # a...@gmail.com a...@fastmail.com
> # b...@gmail.com
when i select Bcc, it presents a list. is there something i can do to
have the first entry in that select list be the From: address?
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from the fediverse:
David Harris has been developing Pegasus Mail for the past 32 years, and
he recently tried to add OAUTH2 support to his software. He's got a few
harsh things to say:
...many of the goals of OAUTH2 are valid and worthwhile: my problems
with it are exclusively to do with how it
Apple Mail Now Blocks Email Trackers
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/05/apple-mail-now-blocks-email-trackers.html
interesting hack
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i don't think the one pixel tracker is detectable until you have eaten
it
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in Sources, which is my normal view, i seem to have
Sent and Sent Messages, one i assume to be an iFoo
artifact.
Sent Messages has the mailbox type of Sent Messages.
neither of these two folders has any messages since
early march.
otoh, Mailboxes / Sent Messages appears to be quite
current.
i d
> You need to unsubscribe from them. Otherwise, MM will refetch the
> subscription list, see the (non-existent) mailbox there, and try to
> fetch it.
so that will actually nuke tem as opposed to just not showing them to
me?
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this is on a outlook.office365.com account (don't ask). i get untitled
empty mailboxes that i can not delete. they are often 'failed' or
'offline'.
i can take offline, take offline, and then remove. 15 minutes later,
they are all back, marked 'failed'.
any clues on how to remove?
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> If you open that message in its own window, you can right-click on the
> text in the window title bar and you will see the filing path, which
> will reveal the imap mailbox and mail account.
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if i select the pseudo-mailbox of the account itself, i.e. not one of
its mailboxes, i see an unread message. but none of the mailboxes has
that message. how can i find out which mailbox has the message?
it is marked as junk, but the mailbox with the type junk does not
contain it.
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> 3. Is it possible to disable image tracking for 1x1 image by default,
> even if I choose to load the images?
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> If the default is going to be non-flowed email, the default font in
> the composer should, I think, be a monospace font and a character
> ruler should be displayed. Is that feasible?
indeed, my composer font is Monaco 12, and i am very dependent on MM
remembering the compose window width. and i
>> recent change. when i reply to an htmlized email, i find myself, not in
>> compose mode, but in Enable Message Preview. i can not figure out what i
>> have done to deserve this.
>
> I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but if you still have this issue then
> please try the latest [test
> re
> I can do a simple "search everything for the word "duh"
regexp or something like it?
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recent change. when i reply to an htmlized email, i find myself, not in
compose mode, but in Enable Message Preview. i can not figure out what
i have done to deserve this.
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i have a sig configured. if i start a reply and command-a to replace
all, including the signature, with new text, i get a popup asking if
i want to delee or edit the old sig. can i hidden config to prevent
that popup?
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> https://pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/
>
> This puts it in LittleSnitch format:
>
> https://pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/serverlist.php?hostformat=littlesnitch-rule-group-subscriptions&mimetype=plaintext
thanks! am giving it a try.
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> That's what I do. I have Little Snitch set to warn about everything.
> MailMate is always allowed to talk to my mailservers over SMTP and
> IMAP and to the update servers over HTTPS. Everything else it yells
> about.
yes, but how do you know if what it is warning about is a tracker?
little sn
> disabling known trackers is second-best.
do i want a little snitch mailmate rule set?
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> Under Preferences -> Security, you can enable Image Blocking for All
> Messages.
already done
> If you also select the extra options to strictly block known trackers,
> the single pixels won't be downloaded.
i see no such option in Version 1.14 (5757)
i do see Always watn about downloaded sin
Version 1.14 (5757) on big sur
when i say view html, i get
Images with a pixel size of 1 by 1 have been downloaded (2)
i would prefer to disable 1 pixel tracker pseudo-images. clue bat,
please
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i have selected a text-only message and hit command-p. mailmate
crashes. how to get debug?
It was a known issue with 1.13.2 (r5673 and thereabouts). Printing
works again on r5737 through r5757 (Version 1.14).
thanks! i assumed mm would have nudged me to
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i have selected a text-only message and hit command-p. mailmate
crashes. how to get debug?
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> Maybe we need to compare setups?
i do not think MM has a `show conf > saved.conf` or whatever so we can
do a diff. i hope i am wrong.
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> One day in the last two weeks as I was reading a bunch of email in one
> account, I opened one and when I deleted it, the next one opened for
> me. This is very useful but I haven’t figured out how to make it
> happen again.
funny, i can't stop it :) assuming that by "open" you mean moving to
t
> ```
> "h" = "previousAlternative:"; // shows text view of message
> "H" = "nextAlternative:"; // shows HTML view of message
> ```
perfect! but where did you find `fooAlternative` special function
names?
thank you
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i generally prefer text rather than html. but sometimes i want to see a
message as html, and without my claws leaving the keyboard. so i tried
to figure out how to map a key to View/MessageBodyParts/HTML. clearly,
it goes in, e.g.
~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Resources/KeyBindings
> I'm experimenting with GPG. I successfully encrypted a message to
> myself, and received it okay, but all I see is a green banner saying
> "Successfully decripted OpenPGP message."
>
> Where is the decrypted version?
maybe you need to View/MessageBodyParts/...?
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mm Version 1.13.2 5673
gpg (GnuPG) 2.2.25
Mail From: Randy Bush
Mail To: Randy Bush
encryption and signing on
KEY_CONSIDERED 75F2C46EF1697D929276146505ECB83A02ED 0
INV_RECP 10 75F2C46EF1697D929276146505ECB83A02ED
FAILURE encrypt 53
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> Have you gone into "Edit IMAP Account" and checked or unchecked things
> in the "Edit Subscriptions" window? Might save some heartache.
yes. but my guess is that these lines in `Sources.plist`
>> archive
>> drafts
>> junk
>> sent
>> trash
are the result of MaiboxType selec
hi,
i get occasional ghost mail folders, especially on orifice365. folders
in the folder bar which are dimmed offline but can not be deleted.
so i went to explore and fell down a rabbit hole in
Library/Application\ Support/MailMate/Sources.plist
it's a bit hard to understand. i have four
te accounts) and from my personal identity.
what i need is an identity and from: address per imap account. my
emacs/wanderlust mua does that.
;; futzing with the header
(setq wl-draft-config-matchone t) ;; only match first
(setq wl-draft-config-alist
'(((string-match ".*@ran"
X and c(ompose, the compose window shows
> that the message will be "From: ra...@arrcus.com"
>
> but the received message is "From: ra...@psg.com"
>
> From: "Randy Bush"
> Subject: test 2
> To: "Randy Bush"
> Da
window shows
that the message will be "From: ra...@arrcus.com"
but the received message is "From: ra...@psg.com"
From: "Randy Bush"
Subject: test 2
To: "Randy Bush"
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 14:07:24 -0800
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I want to use emacs to compose mail. I started with this bundle:
https://github.com/alexandru/emacs.mmbundle
which gets mail into emacs and back to mailmate.
i tell MM to compose a reply and hit Command/Emacs/Edit (^O) and find
myself in a message.eml buffer in fundamental mode. no headers.
> [1 ]
> Sorry to hear...
>
> You mean on a server ?
>
> With mailmate as client ?
>
> On 30 Sep 2020 20:57, Randy Bush wrote:
>
> can you think of a simple way a user could have inadvertantly wiped all
> mail in their account's mailboxen aside f
can you think of a simple way a user could have inadvertantly wiped all
mail in their account's mailboxen aside from the imap entry 0? i keep
daily backup of their mail, but the drama can be excessive :)
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> From: https://manual.mailmate-app.com/hidden_preferences
>
> The following can be used to add a BCC (blind carbon copy) header by
> default to all outgoing messages:
>
> defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmDefaultBccHeader -string m...@example.com
>
> Using the special value "<.sender.>" tel
> what’s the attraction to Dark Mode many developers are offering?
saving phospor. some of us are old.
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i have multiple imap accounts. each has a different Email Address for
the From:. when i cc: or bcc: myself, i want it to use that address;
but it seems to use the email addy of the first account.
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> As someone who grew up using US dates, and then switched 30 years ago,
> I know both sides. And it's the human reading the intro line I was
> referring to; humans are easily confused by nature. I know to accept
> both formats, and I can still get it wrong.
it's a shame that iso did not standardi
on the victim's imap mail server, there seem to be two sets of imap
folders: one in ~ and one in ~/Mail. how is that configured? i
imagine i can just `cat` them as they are really just mbox format.
but which should be the result, ~ or ~/Mail? of course, i would prefer
the latter; but need the k
> I also have a Python script that can select messages by date and
> move them to a set of mailboxes―I've used that to clear out large
> mail list ones, etc.
that sounds tempting, if it will not get me in trouble with senior
management for rearranging their mail.
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>> so a family member seems to have achieved a 'creative' state in their
>> account; likely cause by things such as a Sent mailbox with ten years
>> of messages. is there a nice way to tell mailmate to clear all state
>> for an account, wipe all caches, ...?
> If you don't want to delete and re-ad
so a family member seems to have achieved a 'creative' state in their
account; likely cause by things such as a Sent mailbox with ten years
of messages. is there a nice way to tell mailmate to clear all state
for an account, wipe all caches, ...?
randy
> MailMate Build 6146 is unable to send GPG-encrypted or signed email,
> and it can't decrypt stuff sent to me.
i am at Version 1.13.1 (5671) and can not repro; i.e. it works
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> I find that date-received is more reliable than just date.
do not see. see "Local"
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doh. thanks. i had not explored the sub-selectors of 'date.' silly
me.
thanks again.
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in a smart mailbox, how do i create a condition which includes all
messages (in the selected mailboxes) over a month (or two, or whatever)
old?
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> a forward is not the same as a reply. I too would prefer that
> forwarded messages didn’t quote the forwarded message - or change it
> in any way.
you are showing your age. sad to admit, i too am old. another old
skool thing i miss: bounce with Resent-: headers.
randy
>> up to date mojave on a maxed out 2018 13
>> up to date mailmate
>>
>> it gets into a state where all message bodies are shown as a single
>> little box, �
>
> This could, e.g., happen if the folder used for the “Custom Location”
> feature in the General preferences pane was somehow lost/remove
up to date mojave on a maxed out 2018 13
up to date mailmate
it gets into a state where all message bodies are shown as a single
little box, �
wtf?
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>> mail from one co-worker is consistently put in the junk folder. i
>> select and MoveOutOfJunk. time after time ...
> Less metaphorically: what is filtering your mail and putting it in the
> Junk folder? SpamSieve?
yep
> A remedial approach that should work with whatever is putting the
> mess
mail from one co-worker is consistently put in the junk folder. i
select and MoveOutOfJunk. time after time ...
is there a hammer?
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for some folders, the summary window, the one which lists all messages
in a folder, insists on scrolling back to the top, the oldest messages,
when i wish it to be at the bottom, newest. is there a trick here?
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> suddenly, this morning, mailmate does not display the text of the
> message body. it will show me html, if i View/MessageBodyParts/HTML
> but it will not show me View/MessageBodyParts/PlainText
>
> of course, i have changed nothing :)
>
> i tried a re-install, turning experimental features off
suddenly, this morning, mailmate does not display the text of the
message body. it will show me html, if i View/MessageBodyParts/HTML
but it will not show me View/MessageBodyParts/PlainText
of course, i have changed nothing :)
i tried a re-install, turning experimental features off and on, ...
it would be cool if mailmate had export/import all prefs, settings,
special tweaks, ...
s/mailmate/all the bleeping apps i use/g
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> Have you tried selecting another message and then the encrypted one
> again?
yep
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>> then i can not go back and pay attention and do it properly.
> Have you tried resetting the message in MM?
yes. no love.
randy
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