But that's what is actually happening worldwide, except that these rules that apatment building are enforcing are spam filtering and dnsbl.

Not that I like DT's approach, but using BNetzA seems wrong here - once we open this path, what should they do when some well-known spammer who is in everyone's comes and asks for same?

How should BNetZa evaluate who is good and who is bad here?

W dniu 2022-10-19 o 17:49, Carsten Schiefner via mailop pisze:
Having read up the entire thread now, I wonder if this issue might be worth 
raising with Germany‘s federal regulator for (inter alia) postal and telco 
services, BNetzA.

I wonder what would happen if the owner of a 20-storey apartment building would 
only allow properly accredited - according to its own, partly ambiguous rules - 
mail delivery services into the house…

Comments?

Am 19.10.2022 um 13:39 schrieb Heiko Schlittermann via mailop 
<mailop@mailop.org>:

Hello,

I'm not sure how to complain and where. But I hope that here we can
start a discussion again. I'm quite upset.

Is this the new world?

A given mailhost (ran privately for smaller entities) can't send
messages to T-Online anymore.

  554 IP=168.119.159.241 - A problem occurred. …

The sending IP belongs to a rented host (rented from a major German
hoster). The answer he (the owner of that host) got was about like this:

(translation by me):
  Sorry, we only accept messages from proven
  commercial or similiar servers. Please use the SMTP relay of your hoster
  or your ISP.

I know that T-Online's postmaster announced this kind of behaviour, but
I didn't expect that they are going to implement it, as I saw enough
complaints here.

 From my point of view they now force smaller MSP into contracts with
bigger mail relays, working towards a centralization of mail services,
which IMHO is exactly the opposite way mail was originally designed to
work as.

@mailops: What's your opinion?

Personally I consider this quite rude, and as a smaller ISP I'll be hit
sooner or later. As an Exim developer I'm asking myself why they
(T-Online) assume that I shouldn't run my own mail service.

    Best regards from Dresden/Germany
    Viele Grüße aus Dresden
    Heiko Schlittermann
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