Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Disabling TLS 1.0 and 1.1 for MTA to MTA communication

2022-08-05 Thread Michael Rathbun via mailop
On 4 Aug 2022 15:29:52 -0400, John Levine via mailop wrote: >If my logs are at all typical, there are no large entities still using >TLS 1.0. I see a lot of spambots, some compromised VPS at the usual >suspects like OVH, one well-known IETFer who knows that he needs to >update his mail server, an

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Disabling TLS 1.0 and 1.1 for MTA to MTA communication

2022-08-04 Thread Grant Taylor via mailop
On 8/4/22 3:35 PM, Slavko via mailop wrote: Yes, but you miss important part: "..., because i cannot believe, that i will receive what you send me." I'm not finding what you're quoting. Please elaborate or re-quote. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Disabling TLS 1.0 and 1.1 for MTA to MTA communication

2022-08-04 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
You could also allow the TLS connection and then fail some percentage of mail attempts after that with a 5xx message to tell your admin to upgrade their encryption strength. Failing the TLS negotiation typically has really terrible debuggability as the other thread about SHA1 on Gmail speaks to.

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Disabling TLS 1.0 and 1.1 for MTA to MTA communication

2022-08-04 Thread Slavko via mailop
Dňa 4. augusta 2022 19:47:32 UTC používateľ Grant Taylor via mailop napísal: >This seems to me like you are saying "if you can't meet our encryption >standards, then you don't get to use any encryption at all". Yes, but you miss important part: "..., because i cannot believe, that i will recei

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Disabling TLS 1.0 and 1.1 for MTA to MTA communication

2022-08-04 Thread Grant Taylor via mailop
On 8/4/22 1:10 PM, L. Mark Stone via mailop wrote: Like others who have commented, we believe weak encryption is worse than no encryption, so we have disabled TLSv1 and TLSv1.1 everywhere in our email systems, allowing only TLSv1.2 and TLSv1.3. I do not understand why people think / believe th

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Disabling TLS 1.0 and 1.1 for MTA to MTA communication

2022-08-04 Thread John Levine via mailop
It appears that Brotman, Alex via mailop said: >-=-=-=-=-=- >-=-=-=-=-=- >One of the things I find interesting here is that the question is whether to >disable the protocol version. >We’re not limited to just enable/disable for those versions to get the >attention of the sender (assuming >they’

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Disabling TLS 1.0 and 1.1 for MTA to MTA communication

2022-08-04 Thread L. Mark Stone via mailop
. Mark Stone, Founder North America's Leading Zimbra VAR/BSP/Training Partner For Companies With Mission-Critical Email Needs From: "Brotman, Alex via mailop" To: "Sidsel Jensen" , "" Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2022 1:14:17 PM Subject: Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Disabling TLS 1.0 and 1.1 for MTA to MTA communication

2022-08-04 Thread Brotman, Alex via mailop
One of the things I find interesting here is that the question is whether to disable the protocol version. We’re not limited to just enable/disable for those versions to get the attention of the sender (assuming they’d even notice if they were going clear-text). A receiver could also impact th