Re: [mailop] “Moderation pending” messages

2017-11-23 Thread Grant Taylor via mailop
On 11/22/2017 06:47 PM, Brandon Long via mailop wrote: I never liked the design choice which said permission failure had to look like nonexistence, Is this a reference to the mentality of needing to say "username or password" instead of "password" in an attempt to not confirm that a "username

Re: [mailop] “Moderation pending” messages

2017-11-22 Thread Leo Gaspard
Hmm, I was mostly thinking “oh, you already have technical measures against backscatter” (like sending the bounce only when SPF/DKIM are defined and match), and deducing from there that maybe the same protection granted to a “moderation pending” email would work? Basically, I'm thinking “moderatio

Re: [mailop] “Moderation pending” messages (was: Re: Google groups dropping mail?)

2017-11-22 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
So, you're answer to whether we should make more backscatter is that we already make some so what's the big deal? Hmm This seems like the most obvious case of backscatter, when we think something is spam. I never liked the design choice which said permission failure had to look like nonexistence

[mailop] “Moderation pending” messages (was: Re: Google groups dropping mail?)

2017-11-22 Thread Leo Gaspard
On 11/22/2017 04:51 PM, Brandon Long wrote: > If you send me the full headers I can take a look, but yes, sounds like > either moderation or spam moderation. So after checking, it was indeed spam moderation. Thanks Brandon! I'd just like to raise the issue of whether to send a “your message is pe