Re: [mailop] DANE validation

2019-07-12 Thread Renaud Allard via mailop
On 7/12/19 8:37 PM, Heiko Schlittermann via mailop wrote: Providing TLSA records is only one half of the story. The sender has to use them. Currently there is no way to force the sender to use my TLSA records, is there? (Though, I can force all senders to use TLS when talking to me, but I can'

Re: [mailop] DANE validation

2019-07-12 Thread Heiko Schlittermann via mailop
Bjoern Franke via mailop (Fr 12 Jul 2019 18:47:40 CEST): > Am 11.07.19 um 21:29 schrieb Ross Tajvar via mailop: > > Yes, this is exactly what I was wondering. I'm sure it's possible to > > validate on any reasonably modern MTA, but I am curious if hosted mail > > providers (or even large enterpris

Re: [mailop] DANE validation

2019-07-12 Thread Bjoern Franke via mailop
Am 11.07.19 um 21:29 schrieb Ross Tajvar via mailop: > Yes, this is exactly what I was wondering. I'm sure it's possible to > validate on any reasonably modern MTA, but I am curious if hosted mail > providers (or even large enterprises) are actually doing this validation. Posteo and United Interne

Re: [mailop] DANE validation

2019-07-12 Thread Vittorio Bertola via mailop
At this point, for mail sending, Gmail does not support DANE, though we do support STS and TLSRPT.  I imagine DANE is somewhere on their TODO list, but couldn't give any time frame for that. It is supported by a bunch of Europea

Re: [mailop] DANE validation

2019-07-12 Thread Heiko Schlittermann via mailop
Ross Tajvar via mailop (Fr 12 Jul 2019 04:12:13 CEST): > >For mail clients this question isn't relevant, if this is meant as > >"MUA", since MUAs normally talk to their submission hosts, and often do > >certificate checking similar to that what HTTPS clients do: compare the > >certificate's CN, an

Re: [mailop] DANE validation

2019-07-11 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
At this point, for mail sending, Gmail does not support DANE, though we do support STS and TLSRPT. I imagine DANE is somewhere on their TODO list, but couldn't give any time frame for that. It is supported by a bunch of European ISPs, as well as Comcast. Brandon On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 2:45 PM

Re: [mailop] DANE validation

2019-07-11 Thread Ross Tajvar via mailop
>As Jeremy already pointed out, DANE is about receiving, giving the the sender >a chance to check the recipient's server. If Mailcow suggests you to use >TLSA records, your question is probably about services that would use >these records to avoid sending mails destined for your domain to the >wron

Re: [mailop] DANE validation

2019-07-11 Thread John Levine via mailop
In article you write: >However, the mail server I'm using (Mailcow) suggests I add TLSA records >for ports that serve SMTP, POP3, and IMAP (as well as HTTPS). I'm curious, >do any major mail services actually validate these records when receiving >mail? Do any major mail clients? Comcast does on

Re: [mailop] DANE validation

2019-07-11 Thread Heiko Schlittermann via mailop
Ross Tajvar via mailop (Do 11 Jul 2019 17:58:36 CEST): > However, the mail server I'm using (Mailcow) suggests I add TLSA records > for ports that serve SMTP, POP3, and IMAP (as well as HTTPS). I'm curious, > do any major mail services actually validate these records when receiving > mail? Do any

Re: [mailop] DANE validation

2019-07-11 Thread Ross Tajvar via mailop
Yes, this is exactly what I was wondering. I'm sure it's possible to validate on any reasonably modern MTA, but I am curious if hosted mail providers (or even large enterprises) are actually doing this validation. On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 3:01 PM Jeremy Harris via mailop wrote: > On 11/07/2019 19

Re: [mailop] DANE validation

2019-07-11 Thread Jeremy Harris via mailop
On 11/07/2019 19:10, Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via mailop wrote: > Postfix supports DANE. I think you'll find Exim does also - but the OP was asking about services rather than software. I'd greatly like to hear, for instance, that Gmail used DANE. -- Cheers, Jeremy _

Re: [mailop] DANE validation

2019-07-11 Thread Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via mailop
Jeremy Harris via mailop writes: > On 11/07/2019 16:58, Ross Tajvar via mailop wrote: >> do any major mail services actually validate these records when receiving >> mail? Do any major mail clients? > > DANE is relevant to sending mail, not receiving. > That doesn't answer your question, though.

Re: [mailop] DANE validation

2019-07-11 Thread Jeremy Harris via mailop
On 11/07/2019 16:58, Ross Tajvar via mailop wrote: > do any major mail services actually validate these records when receiving > mail? Do any major mail clients? DANE is relevant to sending mail, not receiving. That doesn't answer your question, though. -- Cheers, Jeremy __

[mailop] DANE validation

2019-07-11 Thread Ross Tajvar via mailop
Hi all, Apologies if this has been discussed before but I did a cursory search and didn't find anything. I've been looking into DANE and TLSA records recently. It seems that no major browsers support validating websites via DANE, and the third-party plugin that CZ.NIC developed to do so has been