Re: [mailop] Enforcement of RFCs [was: GoDaddy Email admins' in the house?]

2017-02-15 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
The test was for the rbl DSN rfc clueless, they were attempting to test whether we accepted mail with an empty mail from, ie bounces, which of course we do... but their test is clueless. Brandon On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 10:11 AM, wrote: > On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 05:59:36 +, Phil Pennock said: >

Re: [mailop] Enforcement of RFCs [was: GoDaddy Email admins' in the house?]

2017-02-15 Thread valdis . kletnieks
On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 05:59:36 +, Phil Pennock said: > I believe Brandon's point is that this is a probe _of_ Gmail, not _by_ > Gmail, and the service purporting to be testing RFC conformance is > instead doing a very old-style message with no headers at all. Right. The test sends something th

Re: [mailop] Enforcement of RFCs [was: GoDaddy Email admins' in the house?]

2017-02-15 Thread Brian Reichert
On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 05:59:36AM +, Phil Pennock wrote: > On 2017-02-15 at 00:24 -0500, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > > So your post un-wordraps into: > > > DATA > > 354 Go ahead d7si5125389wjc.145 - gsmtp > > Testing. . > > 550-5.7.1 [2001:4830:11aa:106:c23f:d5ff:fe67:5ce1 11] Our system

Re: [mailop] Enforcement of RFCs [was: GoDaddy Email admins' in the house?]

2017-02-14 Thread Phil Pennock
On 2017-02-15 at 00:24 -0500, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > So your post un-wordraps into: > DATA > 354 Go ahead d7si5125389wjc.145 - gsmtp > Testing. . > 550-5.7.1 [2001:4830:11aa:106:c23f:d5ff:fe67:5ce1 11] Our system has 550-5.7.1 > detected that this message is not RFC 5322 compliant. To

Re: [mailop] Enforcement of RFCs [was: GoDaddy Email admins' in the house?]

2017-02-14 Thread valdis . kletnieks
On Mon, 13 Feb 2017 18:04:02 -0800, Brandon Long via mailop said: So your post un-wordraps into: MAIL FROM:<> 250 2.1.0 OK d7si5125389wjc.145 - gsmtp RCPT TO: 250 2.1.5 OK d7si5125389wjc.145 - gsmtp DATA 354 Go ahead d7si5125389wjc.145 - gsmtp Testing. . 550-5.7.1 [2001:4830:11aa:106:c23f:d5ff:fe

Re: [mailop] Enforcement of RFCs [was: GoDaddy Email admins' in the house?]

2017-02-14 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
About 1.5y ok, we tried to start enforcing strict correctness for the HELO/EHLO argument. For whatever reason, we'd been very lenient before, to the point where I think we would accept an "empty" argument (ie, just a space after HELO), iirc. The main reason we did this was we were getting increas

Re: [mailop] Enforcement of RFCs [was: GoDaddy Email admins' in the house?]

2017-02-14 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 01:06:49PM -0500, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > And where do you announce it where all the mail system administrators who > don't read the *current* BCPs will see it and act on it? I got nothin'. Seriously, I thought about this for a while, and every idea that I have ab

Re: [mailop] Enforcement of RFCs [was: GoDaddy Email admins' in the house?]

2017-02-14 Thread David Hofstee
t; Aan: mailop@mailop.org Verzonden: Maandag 13 februari 2017 18:49:01 Onderwerp: Re: [mailop] Enforcement of RFCs [was: GoDaddy Email admins' in the house?] On 17-02-12 04:52 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 12:33:47PM -0800, Michael Peddemors wrote: >> More and

Re: [mailop] Enforcement of RFCs [was: GoDaddy Email admins' in the house?]

2017-02-13 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Ted Cabeen wrote: > On 2/12/2017 4:52 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 12:33:47PM -0800, Michael Peddemors wrote: >> >>> More and more, if you want to deliver email in today's environments, you >>> have to ensure your email servers are correct

Re: [mailop] Enforcement of RFCs [was: GoDaddy Email admins' in the house?]

2017-02-13 Thread Ted Cabeen
On 2/12/2017 4:52 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 12:33:47PM -0800, Michael Peddemors wrote: More and more, if you want to deliver email in today's environments, you have to ensure your email servers are correctly configured. I think there's considerable value in slowly enforc

Re: [mailop] Enforcement of RFCs [was: GoDaddy Email admins' in the house?]

2017-02-13 Thread valdis . kletnieks
On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 07:52:25 -0500, Rich Kulawiec said: > On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 12:33:47PM -0800, Michael Peddemors wrote: > > More and more, if you want to deliver email in today's environments, you > > have to ensure your email servers are correctly configured. > > I think there's considerable

Re: [mailop] Enforcement of RFCs [was: GoDaddy Email admins' in the house?]

2017-02-13 Thread Michael Peddemors
On 17-02-12 04:52 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 12:33:47PM -0800, Michael Peddemors wrote: More and more, if you want to deliver email in today's environments, you have to ensure your email servers are correctly configured. I think there's considerable value in slowly enforc

[mailop] Enforcement of RFCs [was: GoDaddy Email admins' in the house?]

2017-02-12 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 12:33:47PM -0800, Michael Peddemors wrote: > More and more, if you want to deliver email in today's environments, you > have to ensure your email servers are correctly configured. I think there's considerable value in slowly enforcing this in stepwise, announced fashion. I