Re: [mailop] Mailing lists, Apple and failing DKIM signatures

2023-05-22 Thread Benny Pedersen via mailop
Jim Popovitch via mailop skrev den 2023-05-22 23:12: You are the sole carrier of that "debate", and, despite many many previous attempts at correcting you, your assertions that the way Mailman replaces the From address somehow breaks *your* DKIM setup, is a hill that we all know you will die

Re: [mailop] Mailing lists, Apple and failing DKIM signatures

2023-05-22 Thread Jim Popovitch via mailop
On Mon, 2023-05-22 at 22:18 +0200, Benny Pedersen via mailop wrote: > Jim Popovitch via mailop skrev den 2023-05-22 20:49: > > > DO use Mailman's built-in DMARC mitigations for re-writing From > > for DMARC identified domains, including p=none. > > fine tool to break dkim, it would not help

Re: [mailop] Mailing lists, Apple and failing DKIM signatures

2023-05-22 Thread Benny Pedersen via mailop
Simon Arlott via mailop skrev den 2023-05-22 20:20: If you're running a mailing list that retains the original DKIM signatures [that will fail because the message subject and body have been modified] you might want to strip/hide them because it can cause Apple iCloud Mail to increment the spam

Re: [mailop] Mailing lists, Apple and failing DKIM signatures

2023-05-22 Thread Benny Pedersen via mailop
Jim Popovitch via mailop skrev den 2023-05-22 20:49: DO use Mailman's built-in DMARC mitigations for re-writing From for DMARC identified domains, including p=none. fine tool to break dkim, it would not help repeat why not break dkim, there would be endless debate why keep the problem, old

Re: [mailop] Mailing lists, Apple and failing DKIM signatures

2023-05-22 Thread John Levine via mailop
It appears that Simon Arlott via mailop said: >On 22/05/2023 19:49, Jim Popovitch via mailop wrote: >> DO use Mailman's built-in DMARC mitigations for re-writing From for >> DMARC identified domains, including p=none. > >For a DMARC (p=reject) domain, if the From: header is rewritten, the

Re: [mailop] Mailing lists, Apple and failing DKIM signatures

2023-05-22 Thread Simon Arlott via mailop
On 22/05/2023 19:49, Jim Popovitch via mailop wrote: > DO use Mailman's built-in DMARC mitigations for re-writing From for > DMARC identified domains, including p=none. For a DMARC (p=reject) domain, if the From: header is rewritten, the presence of a failing DKIM signature still causes Apple to

Re: [mailop] Mailing lists, Apple and failing DKIM signatures

2023-05-22 Thread Jim Popovitch via mailop
On Mon, 2023-05-22 at 19:20 +0100, Simon Arlott via mailop wrote: > If you're running a mailing list that retains the original DKIM > signatures [that will fail because the message subject and body > have been modified] you might want to strip/hide them because... DON'T remove standard

[mailop] Mailing lists, Apple and failing DKIM signatures

2023-05-22 Thread Simon Arlott via mailop
If you're running a mailing list that retains the original DKIM signatures [that will fail because the message subject and body have been modified] you might want to strip/hide them because it can cause Apple iCloud Mail to increment the spam score by 1 which can cause it to be delivered to Junk