Hi John,
> If you don't like the way we handle your mail...
I never stated anything like that. I was discussing the fact that I think
it is not an effective method since it can be gamed and has quite some
false positives.
I agree with your reply. I always have and always will. I just don't think
essed."
Got the Junk Mail Reporting
Tool<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=18275> ?
-Original Message-
From: mailop On Behalf Of John Levine
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 8:56 AM
To: mailop@mailop.org
Subject: Re: [mailop] Microsoft IPs automatically unsub
In article
you write:
>I am against scanning everything in order to protect. Because every method
>an ESP needs to do to "fix" these bad unsubscribes can just as easily be
>spoofed by bad actors (e.g. redirect url to non-malicious content for first
>10 minutes). And not all ESPs are even aware of
I am against scanning everything in order to protect. Because every method
an ESP needs to do to "fix" these bad unsubscribes can just as easily be
spoofed by bad actors (e.g. redirect url to non-malicious content for first
10 minutes). And not all ESPs are even aware of this scanning process (if
t
On 2018-03-01 16:26, David Carriger wrote:
Yes, I'm still seeing this. So, an open question:
As an ESP, how am I supposed to tell my users to practice good list
hygiene and remove unengaged recipients from their lists when my data is
being tainted by Google/Microsoft/etc triggering all of my e
On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 6:26 PM, David Carriger <
david.carri...@infusionsoft.com> wrote:
> Yes, I'm still seeing this. So, an open question:
>
> As an ESP, how am I supposed to tell my users to practice good list
> hygiene and remove unengaged recipients from their lists when my data is
> being ta
On 1 Mar 2018, at 18:43 (-0500), Steve Atkins wrote:
On Mar 1, 2018, at 3:26 PM, David Carriger
wrote:
Yes, I'm still seeing this. So, an open question:
As an ESP, how am I supposed to tell my users to practice good list
hygiene and remove unengaged recipients from their lists when my data
> On Mar 1, 2018, at 3:26 PM, David Carriger
> wrote:
>
> Yes, I'm still seeing this. So, an open question:
>
> As an ESP, how am I supposed to tell my users to practice good list hygiene
> and remove unengaged recipients from their lists when my data is being
> tainted by Google/Microsoft/e
mailto:mailop-boun...@mailop.org>> On
Behalf Of David Carriger
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 11:29 AM
To: mailop@mailop.org<mailto:mailop@mailop.org>
Subject: [mailop] Microsoft IPs automatically unsubscribing recipients?
I've just received an interesting escalation f
microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=18275> ?
From: mailop On Behalf Of David Carriger
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 11:29 AM
To: mailop@mailop.org
Subject: [mailop] Microsoft IPs automatically unsubscribing recipients?
I've just received an interesting escalation from our support te
>> Then, I guess, why not POST (or GET) the unsubscribe link anyway? If
>> the user indicated a desire for a facilitated unsubscribe, why not try?
>
>The major issue in this situation is that the users *didn't* indicate
>desire.
>
>Moving forward, when there's actual user involvement...having ma
On 2/27/2018 4:34 PM, Aaron Richton wrote:
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018, Jesse Thompson wrote:
Then, I guess, why not POST (or GET) the unsubscribe link anyway? If
the user indicated a desire for a facilitated unsubscribe, why not try?
The major issue in this situation is that the users *didn't* indi
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018, Jesse Thompson wrote:
Then, I guess, why not POST (or GET) the unsubscribe link anyway? If
the user indicated a desire for a facilitated unsubscribe, why not try?
The major issue in this situation is that the users *didn't* indicate
desire.
Moving forward, when there's
On 2/23/2018 3:25 PM, Grant Taylor via mailop wrote:
On 02/23/2018 12:28 PM, David Carriger wrote:
Can you tell if the URL accesses are GETs or POSTs?
Do you action on your one-click-unsubscribe based on GETs? - I thought
one-click-unsubscribe was purposefully supposed to require POSTs to
av
aspx?id=18275> ?
From: mailop On Behalf Of David Carriger
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 11:29 AM
To: mailop@mailop.org
Subject: [mailop] Microsoft IPs automatically unsubscribing recipients?
I've just received an interesting escalation from our support team. We have a
customer sending mail
On 23 February 2018 21:44:20 Grant Taylor via mailop wrote:
This almost sounds like automated link content scanning.
Probably
That's a great mechanism for confirming active email addresses to spammers
using tracking links...
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Good catch, Grant. They are GET requests. Our developers implemented the
List-Unsubscribe HTTP method a long time ago and it appears that it was never
updated to comply with RFC 8058. I'm still curious as to why I'm only seeing
this with .edu domains hosted on Office365 and not Office365 in gene
On 02/23/2018 12:28 PM, David Carriger wrote:
With the exception of Rutgers, these are all hosted on Office 365. Once
the mail has delivered, I'm seeing all of the links inside the email hit
within a span of time varying between 1-10 seconds. For example, here's
an unsubscribe in our database f
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018, David Carriger wrote:
I've just received an interesting escalation from our support team. We have a
customer sending mail to recipients at the following domains:
[...]
With the exception of Rutgers, these are all hosted on Office 365. Once
the mail has delivered, I'm seei
I've just received an interesting escalation from our support team. We have a
customer sending mail to recipients at the following domains:
andromeda.rutgers.edu
apsu.edu
barry.edu
bsu.edu
ccsnh.edu
clarion.edu
cofc.edu
dcccd.edu
gsu.edu
hofstra.edu
king.edu
letu.edu
mail.barry.edu
mansfield.edu
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