Re: [mailop] The way ahead

2015-10-23 Thread Noel Butler
On 24/10/2015 00:00, Jim Popovitch wrote: On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 6:56 AM, Renaud Allard wrote: So maybe all of this *** stuff is not so bad if it brings more verifications which can be used to restore reliability of email delivery. We're going on at least 15 years now of people making that

Re: [mailop] The way ahead

2015-10-23 Thread Ian Eiloart
> On 22 Oct 2015, at 16:36, Kurt Andersen (b) wrote: > > +arc-discuss > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Jim Popovitch wrote: > > This has a feeling of "cart before the horse". :-) Mailman, and > presumably other list mangers, now "wrap" dmarc'ed emails before > forwarding, where's the va

Re: [mailop] The way ahead

2015-10-23 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 6:56 AM, Renaud Allard wrote: > So maybe all of this *** stuff is not so bad if it brings more verifications > which can be used to restore reliability of email delivery. We're going on at least 15 years now of people making that similar statement. :-) -Jim P. _

Re: [mailop] The way ahead

2015-10-23 Thread Renaud Allard
On 10/23/2015 12:28 PM, Simon Lyall wrote: Incidentally three people got unsubscribed from the mailop list after they rejected Franck's email due to the DMARC policy... Note the list run's a older version of mailman that doesn't impliment the anti-dmarc stuff. Simon List co-moderator Neit

Re: [mailop] The way ahead

2015-10-23 Thread Simon Lyall
Incidentally three people got unsubscribed from the mailop list after they rejected Franck's email due to the DMARC policy... Note the list run's a older version of mailman that doesn't impliment the anti-dmarc stuff. Simon List co-moderator On Wed, 21 Oct 2015, Franck Martin wrote: I tho

Re: [mailop] The way ahead

2015-10-22 Thread Kurt Andersen (b)
On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Jim Popovitch wrote: > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Kurt Andersen (b) > wrote: > > > > While there have been options for mailing lists to "wrap" email > > conversations for a long time, many list administrators and participants > > have fairly violent objec

Re: [mailop] The way ahead

2015-10-22 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Kurt Andersen (b) wrote: > +arc-discuss > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Jim Popovitch wrote: >> >> >> This has a feeling of "cart before the horse". :-) Mailman, and >> presumably other list mangers, now "wrap" dmarc'ed emails before >> forwarding, where's

Re: [mailop] The way ahead

2015-10-22 Thread Kurt Andersen (b)
+arc-discuss On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Jim Popovitch wrote: > > This has a feeling of "cart before the horse". :-) Mailman, and > presumably other list mangers, now "wrap" dmarc'ed emails before > forwarding, where's the value-add for ARC? > Jim, While there have been options for mail

Re: [mailop] The way ahead

2015-10-22 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Franck Martin wrote: > I thought I would post the following, to make sure everyone is aware and > getting prepared. > > https://dmarc.org/2015/10/global-mailbox-providers-deploying-dmarc-to-protect-users/ > > Yahoo Expanding Use of Strict DMARC Policies > Enabling

[mailop] The way ahead

2015-10-21 Thread Franck Martin
I thought I would post the following, to make sure everyone is aware and getting prepared. https://dmarc.org/2015/10/global-mailbox-providers-deploying-dmarc-to-protect-users/ - Yahoo Expanding Use of Strict DMARC Policies - Enabling DMARC To Protect More Types of Email (ARC) - Google To