Re: [mailop] openssl on Ubuntu 20.04 - implications for email

2021-01-09 Thread John Levine via mailop
In article <87mtxi8i6b@firsthand.net> you write: >As far as I know OpenSRS DNS refuses DKIM keys longer than 1024 to this >day despite my and I expect many others asking and asking and asking ... > >If they've changed this do educate me. As they haven't They haven't. I just checked. Now

Re: [mailop] openssl on Ubuntu 20.04 - implications for email

2021-01-09 Thread Christian de Larrinaga via mailop
As far as I know OpenSRS DNS refuses DKIM keys longer than 1024 to this day despite my and I expect many others asking and asking and asking ... If they've changed this do educate me. As they haven't Christian Brandon Long via mailop writes: > On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 5:57 AM Dan Malm via mailop

Re: [mailop] openssl on Ubuntu 20.04 - implications for email

2021-01-09 Thread Christian de Larrinaga via mailop
life is too short sometimes for gaming poor system utilities and then waiting for an update that breaks your game arbitrarily Al Iverson via mailop writes: > On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 2:22 AM Brandon Long via mailop > wrote: >> >> We do still allow administrators to create 1024 bit DKIM keys

Re: [mailop] openssl on Ubuntu 20.04 - implications for email

2021-01-08 Thread John Levine via mailop
In article <1f146c09-fe97-bd15-a4d4-a3e8b1c4b...@kooky.org> you write: >On 08/01/2021 20:07, Joel M Snyder via mailop wrote: >> And even if there were some HSTS-like way to bind certificates to >> destination domain names, the lack of an interactive moment for the user >> to say "yes" or "no" to a

Re: [mailop] openssl on Ubuntu 20.04 - implications for email

2021-01-08 Thread Eric Tykwinski via mailop
I think this goes back to Jon Postel’s theory of accepting liberally, but sending strictly. I.E. If you users or other MTAs and sending you bad or no encryption try to accept it to get the job done. If you are sending to other MTAs, try and send with the best possible encryption at least until

Re: [mailop] openssl on Ubuntu 20.04 - implications for email

2021-01-08 Thread Ángel via mailop
SMTP uses _opportunistic_ encryption. It fails open.* This has the unfortunate consequence that strengthening the encryption often means to actually use no encryption at all. ☹ The client mta attempts to negotiate TLS1.2, is unable to and ends up sending the email in plaintext, when it could have

Re: [mailop] openssl on Ubuntu 20.04 - implications for email

2021-01-08 Thread Al Iverson via mailop
On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 2:22 AM Brandon Long via mailop wrote: > > We do still allow administrators to create 1024 bit DKIM keys because > when we tried to change it, a large number of admins and the web-based DNS > admin consoles they used couldn't handle the larger keys. That was years ago, >

Re: [mailop] openssl on Ubuntu 20.04 - implications for email

2021-01-08 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 5:57 AM Dan Malm via mailop wrote: > On 2021-01-06 20:10, Tim Bray via mailop wrote: > > My thoughts are `time for mail operators to pull their fingers out and > > upgrade`. Because we are really saying `upgrade to something less than > > 8 years old` > > I fully agree.

Re: [mailop] openssl on Ubuntu 20.04 - implications for email

2021-01-07 Thread Dan Malm via mailop
On 2021-01-07 14:54, Dan Malm via mailop wrote: > On 2021-01-06 18:36, Brandon Long via mailop wrote: >> Does the above mean that it will fail DKIM keys less than 2048 will >> fail? That's likely the larger issue. > That's a good question. I don't handle any < 2048 bit DKIM keys on any > Ubuntu

Re: [mailop] openssl on Ubuntu 20.04 - implications for email

2021-01-07 Thread Dan Malm via mailop
On 2021-01-06 20:10, Tim Bray via mailop wrote: > My thoughts are `time for mail operators to pull their fingers out and > upgrade`.   Because we are really saying `upgrade to something less than > 8 years old` I fully agree. The state of TLS in the mail world is quite sad and it would be great

Re: [mailop] openssl on Ubuntu 20.04 - implications for email

2021-01-06 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
Note that gmail announced dropping support for ssl3/rc4 in 2015 ( https://security.googleblog.com/2015/09/disabling-sslv3-and-rc4.html) and actually did it in 2016... and the hosts that were using it prior to that was a small fraction. Does the above mean that it will fail DKIM keys less than

Re: [mailop] openssl on Ubuntu 20.04 - implications for email

2021-01-06 Thread Phil Pennock via mailop
On 2021-01-06 at 14:23 +0100, Dan Malm via mailop wrote: > This might have some implications for anyone running a mail server on > Ubuntu as smtp delivery to recipients with a "legacy" SSL configuration > will break with SSL errors like for example: "SSL > routines:tls_process_ske_dhe:dh key too

Re: [mailop] openssl on Ubuntu 20.04 - implications for email

2021-01-06 Thread Stefan Bauer via mailop
Just my 5 cents: As a small mail operator (10K mails/day) we disabled ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop

Re: [mailop] openssl on Ubuntu 20.04 - implications for email

2021-01-06 Thread Tim Bray via mailop
On 06/01/2021 13:23, Dan Malm via mailop wrote: Just thought I'd spare others some troubleshooting in case you run in to this, and see if anyone else have any thoughts on it. :) My thoughts are `time for mail operators to pull their fingers out and upgrade`.   Because we are really saying

[mailop] openssl on Ubuntu 20.04 - implications for email

2021-01-06 Thread Dan Malm via mailop
Hi, Canonical have decided to have decided to ship Ubuntu with a openssl binary compiled with the seclevel option set to 2 as default: "Security level set to 112 bits of security. As a result RSA, DSA and DH keys shorter than 2048 bits and ECC keys shorter than 224 bits are prohibited. In