Re: [mailop] push and pull, Microsoft Office365 not rejecting emails when instructed so by SPF recored?

2023-05-31 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 30.05.2023 o godz. 20:55:46 postfix--- via mailop pisze: > > If I may respectfully encourage you to look at how you receive your > online banking statements, most likely they are delivered by a > system that is conceptually pretty much like DJB described it back > then. I receive mine via

Re: [mailop] push and pull, Microsoft Office365 not rejecting emails when instructed so by SPF recored?

2023-05-30 Thread Bill Cole via mailop
On 2023-05-30 at 21:47:55 UTC-0400 (30 May 2023 21:47:55 -0400) John R Levine via mailop is rumored to have said: [.] I am fairly sure that in the U.S. there is generally no obligation on the bank to prove that a customer has seen a statement. Right. And financial institutions handle whatever

Re: [mailop] push and pull, Microsoft Office365 not rejecting emails when instructed so by SPF recored?

2023-05-30 Thread John R Levine via mailop
Not really.  Partly it's that they don't want to send stuff by SMTP where a glitch could bounce the statement into some random admin's mailbox or a spam scanner might do who knows what with it.  But mostly it's that they want to train their users to use a web browser with an SSL connection to

Re: [mailop] push and pull, Microsoft Office365 not rejecting emails when instructed so by SPF recored?

2023-05-30 Thread postfix--- via mailop
On 2023-05-30 21:22, John R Levine via mailop wrote: The main advantage for the financial institution is proof on the balance of probability of the timestamp and statements that have been delivered to the customer. Not really.  Partly it's that they don't want to send stuff by SMTP where a

Re: [mailop] push and pull, Microsoft Office365 not rejecting emails when instructed so by SPF recored?

2023-05-30 Thread John R Levine via mailop
On Tue, 30 May 2023, post...@sfina.com wrote: https://cr.yp.to/im2000.html You can tell from its name how long ago it was, and from the fact that you never heard of it before how successful it was. If I may respectfully encourage you to look at how you receive your online banking statements,

Re: [mailop] push and pull, Microsoft Office365 not rejecting emails when instructed so by SPF recored?

2023-05-30 Thread postfix--- via mailop
On 2023-05-27 13:43, John Levine via mailop wrote: It appears that Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop said: With that way of thinking, you can get rid of email completely, and just regularly check some website where people can write messages for you... Dan Bernstein, who wrote qmail when he probably

Re: [mailop] push and pull, Microsoft Office365 not rejecting emails when instructed so by SPF recored?

2023-05-27 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 27.05.2023 o godz. 13:43:08 John Levine via mailop pisze: > Dan Bernstein, who wrote qmail when he probably should have been thinking > about > cryptography, had an idea for a reworked mail system along these lines: > > https://cr.yp.to/im2000.html > > You can tell from its name how long

Re: [mailop] push and pull, Microsoft Office365 not rejecting emails when instructed so by SPF recored?

2023-05-27 Thread John Levine via mailop
It appears that Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop said: >With that way of thinking, you can get rid of email completely, and just >regularly check some website where people can write messages for you... Dan Bernstein, who wrote qmail when he probably should have been thinking about cryptography, had an