On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:57:39 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >VIRGIL Digest Monday, 27 September 1999 Volume 01 : >Number 060 > >Re:casali reference? >Re: VIRGIL Digest V1 #59 > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >From: Christine Perkell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Mon, 27 Sep 99 12:06:13 -0400 >Subject: Re:casali reference? > >Hello Everyone > >I seem to have missed the Casali reference to which M. Hughes gave a >most >interesting response. I would thank someone of you for giving it out >again. > >C. Perkell > >Christine Perkell/ Zarbin > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Classics Department >Emory University >Atlanta, GA 30322 >404 727 7592; fax 404 727 0223 >In NJ: 973 635 6604 > > > >------------------------------ > >From: Barry Baldwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:55:07 -0600 (MDT) >Subject: Re: VIRGIL Digest V1 #59 > >I have TWICE signed off all these Virgil-mantovano things, and have >had >confirmation of same, so why am I still getting them? -Barry Baldwin > >On Sun, 26 Sep 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> VIRGIL Digest Sunday, 26 September 1999 Volume 01 : >Number= > 059 >>=20 >> Re: VIRGIL: Another Virgilius Maro? >> Re: VIRGIL: Another Virgilius Maro? >> Re: VIRGIL: More Vergils >> Re: VIRGIL: More Vergils >> Re: VIRGIL: More Vergils >> Re: VIRGIL: More Vergils >> Re: VIRGIL: More Vergils >> Re: VIRGIL: More Vergils >> Thank you message from API >> Casali on Treason >>=20 >> >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hans Zimmermann) >> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:05:40 +0200 >> Subject: Re: VIRGIL: Another Virgilius Maro? >>=20 >> James Butrica schrieb: >> > ><< Message forwarded by moderator follows. >> >> > > >> > >From: "F. Heberlein" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > >Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:08:46 +1 >> > > >> > >> Does someone know about a philosopher or grammarian >> > >> called =AB Virgilius Maro =BB who was living in the 7th >> > >> century? I would like to read something about this >> > >> author, his life, his works. >> > >> >> > >This is Vergilius Maro Grammaticus, famous for his claim to have >> > >attended in his youth a 13 days dispute on the correct vocative >of "e= >go" >> > >(now and then i ask our undergrads the 'correct' solution, and >more >> > >than often i get replies like "o ege" ...). >> > > >> > >> > Under what circumstances would one use a vocative form of the >1st-perso= >n >> > singular pronoun? And please don't keep us in suspense: which form >did = >VMG >> > regard as "correct," and which were the competing forms? >>=20 >> yes, funny indeed, but let's remember the Greek neighbour form:=20 >> Odysseias e (book 5), 299: "=F4 moi eg=F4 deilos ..."=20 >>=20 >> grusz, hansz >> http://home.t-online.de/home/03581413454/sprachen.htm >>=20 >>=20 >> ------------------------------ >>=20 >> From: Greg Farnum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:01:03 -0400 >> Subject: Re: VIRGIL: Another Virgilius Maro? >>=20 >> I must apologize to Peter from Perth, he DID NOT claim that Virgil >Thomps= >on >> was the first. I plead a hasty and furtive reading at work as my >extenua= >ting >> circumstance. Still, the discussion is an interesting one; and yes, >the = >name >> Homer, when pinned on an American, is just as hayseed as Virgil. >>=20 >> Greg Farnum >>=20 >>=20 >> Jim O'Hara wrote: >>=20 >> > ..... and its American use as a >> > >first name is exemplified by (5) the composer Virgil Thomson, and >(7) = >a >> > >television character in "McHale's Navy". Are there any others, I >wonde= >r? >> > > >> > >Best wishes >> > >Peter JVD BRYANT >> > >Perth >> > >Western Australia >> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > Nine major-league baseball players, eight born 1894-1917, and one >in th= >e >> > 20's, have been named Virgil: >> > >From http://www.totalbaseball.com/ >> > Virgil Abernathy >> > Virgil Barnes >> > Virgil Cheeves >> > Virgil Davis >> > Virgil Garriott >> > Virgil Garvin >> > Virgil Jester >> > Thomas Virgil "Red" Stallcup >> > Virgil Trucks >> > >> > Jim O'Hara James J. O'Hara >> > Professor of Classical Studies & Chair Classical Studies Dept. >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wesleyan University >> > 860/685-2066 (fax: 2089) Middletown CT 06459-0146 >> > Home Page: http://www.wesleyan.edu/classics/faculty/jim.html >> > >> > >> > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. >> > Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message >> > "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation >marks). You >> > can also unsubscribe at >http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub >>=20 >>=20 >> ------------------------------ >>=20 >> From: Leofranc Holford-Strevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:09:31 +0100 >> Subject: Re: VIRGIL: More Vergils >>=20 >> In message ><[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> edu>, RANDI C ELDEVIK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >> >Yes, I have to acknowledge that those hillbilly associations do >exist, i= >n >> >the U.S. context; the same for the name Homer, unfortunately. But >I don= >'t >> >know how that came about, and I wish I knew. Homer and Virgil are >my tw= >o >> >favorite poets, but if I had wanted to name my son in honor of one >or bo= >th >> >of them, my husband would have rebelled--understandably, given the >U.S. >> >ambience. >> > What's the British attitude? Doesn't anyone there give the >name >> >Homer or Virgil to their son? After all, one meets Englishmen >named >> >Terence, etc. >>=20 >> Can't say I've ever come across or heard of a British 'Homer' or >> 'Virgil', high, low, or middle class. >>=20 >> Leofranc Holford-Strevens >> >*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* >> =20 >> Leofranc Holford-Strevens >> 67 St Bernard's Road usque >adeone >> Oxford scire MEVM nihil est, nisi ME scire hoc sciat >alter? >> OX2 6EJ >>=20 >> tel. +44 (0)1865 552808(home)/267865(work) fax +44 (0)1865 >51223= >7 >> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] >(work) >>=20 >> >*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* >>=20 >> ------------------------------ >>=20 >> From: Caroline Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 99 23:40:56 +0100 >> Subject: Re: VIRGIL: More Vergils >>=20 >> I knew a cat called Virgil once, but I don't suppose that counts. >>=20 >> Caroline Butler >>=20 >> ------------------------------ >>=20 >> From: Caroline Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 99 23:40:56 +0100 >> Subject: Re: VIRGIL: More Vergils >>=20 >> I knew a cat called Virgil once, but I don't suppose that counts. >>=20 >> Caroline Butler >>=20 >> ------------------------------ >>=20 >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Simon Cauchi) >> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:36:38 +1200 >> Subject: Re: VIRGIL: More Vergils >>=20 >> > What's the British attitude? Doesn't anyone there give the >name >> >Homer or Virgil to their son? After all, one meets Englishmen >named >> >Terence, etc. >>=20 >> To someone like me brought up in the UK, Homer and Virgil used as >forenam= >es >> sound distinctly American -- I didn't know they had a hillbilly >ring. In >> England I don't think Terence is taken to allude to the Roman >playwright. >> Nor Horace to the poet. I've never heard of anyone called Plautus or >> Catullus. I'm sure I've heard or read of a dog called Virgil (or >perhaps = >it >> was Vergil) but I can't remember where. In Malta there was (is?) a >fashio= >n >> for Greek names, e.g. Sir Themistocles Zammit. >>=20 >> Back to work! (I'm editing a book on a field of study I didn't even >know >> existed -- the constitutional law of revolutions. Cases cited come >from >> Restoration England, the secessionist South, UDI Rhodesia, Grenada, >Fiji, >> Queensland, etc., but so far nothing from ancient Rome, unless you >count = >a >> quotation from De Civ. Dei, IV, 4.) >>=20 >> Simon Cauchi, Hamilton, New Zealand >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> ------------------------------ >>=20 >> From: "Miryam y C=E9sar Libr=E1n Moreno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:21:08 +0200 >> Subject: Re: VIRGIL: More Vergils >>=20 >> I can=B4t comment on any English usage, but here in Spain Virgilio >(obvio= >usly, >> Vergil) has been consistently used as a Christian name, with no >implicati= >ons >> whatsoever. Homer has never, to my knowledge, been used. Now the >situatio= >n in >> South America is very different... you have the *lot *of Roman/Greek >name= >s, >> which apparently carry no special connotations. >>=20 >> Regards, Miryam >>=20 >> > > What's the British attitude? Doesn't anyone there give the >name >> > >Homer or Virgil to their son? After all, one meets Englishmen >named >> > >Terence, etc. >> > >> > To someone like me brought up in the UK, Homer and Virgil used as >foren= >ames >> > sound distinctly American -- I didn't know they had a hillbilly >ring. I= >n >> > England I don't think Terence is taken to allude to the Roman >playwrigh= >t. >> > Nor Horace to the poet. I've never heard of anyone called Plautus >or >> > Catullus. I'm sure I've heard or read of a dog called Virgil (or >perhap= >s it >> > was Vergil) but I can't remember where. In Malta there was (is?) a >fash= >ion >> > for Greek names, e.g. Sir Themistocles Zammit. >> > >> > Back to work! (I'm editing a book on a field of study I didn't >even kno= >w >> > existed -- the constitutional law of revolutions. Cases cited come >from >> > Restoration England, the secessionist South, UDI Rhodesia, >Grenada, Fij= >i, >> > Queensland, etc., but so far nothing from ancient Rome, unless you >coun= >t a >> > quotation from De Civ. Dei, IV, 4.) >> > >> > Simon Cauchi, Hamilton, New Zealand >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >> > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. >> > Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message >> > "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation >marks). You >> > can also unsubscribe at >http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> - -- >> >*************************************************************************= >** >> ...There was Delphinus Polyglott. He told us what had become of the >> eighty-three lost tragedies of Aeschylus; of the fifty-four orations >of I= >saeus; >> of the three hundred and ninety-one speeches of Lysias; of the >hundred an= >d >> eighty treatises of Theophrastus; of the eighth book of the conic >section= >s of >> Apollonius; of Pindar=B4s hymns and dithyrambics; and of the five >and for= >ty >> tragedies of Homer Junior. >> E.A. Poe >> >*************************************************************************= >** >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> ------------------------------ >>=20 >> From: RANDI C ELDEVIK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:12:29 -0500 (CDT) >> Subject: Re: VIRGIL: More Vergils >>=20 >> It just occurred to me--there was that eminent medievalist >(American) >> named Charles Homer Haskins. Somehow "Homer" as a middle name in >between >> "Charles" and "Haskins" doesn't sound quite so bad. "Homer Haskins" >_tou= >t >> court_ would have a hillbilly ring to it. I still wish I knew why, >> though. >> Randi Eldevik >> Oklahoma State University >>=20 >> On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Miryam y [UNKNOWN] C=3DE9sar Libr=3DE1n Moreno >wrote= >: >>=20 >> > I can=3DB4t comment on any English usage, but here in Spain >Virgilio (o= >bvio=3D >> usly, >> > Vergil) has been consistently used as a Christian name, with no >implica= >ti=3D >> ons >> > whatsoever. Homer has never, to my knowledge, been used. Now the >situat= >io=3D >> n in >> > South America is very different... you have the *lot *of >Roman/Greek na= >me=3D >> s, >> > which apparently carry no special connotations. >> >=3D20 >> > Regards, Miryam >> >=3D20 >> > > > What's the British attitude? Doesn't anyone there give >the nam= >e >> > > >Homer or Virgil to their son? After all, one meets Englishmen >named >> > > >Terence, etc. >> > > >> > > To someone like me brought up in the UK, Homer and Virgil used >as for= >en=3D >> ames >> > > sound distinctly American -- I didn't know they had a hillbilly >ring.= > I=3D >> n >> > > England I don't think Terence is taken to allude to the Roman >playwri= >gh=3D >> t. >> > > Nor Horace to the poet. I've never heard of anyone called >Plautus or >> > > Catullus. I'm sure I've heard or read of a dog called Virgil (or >perh= >ap=3D >> s it >> > > was Vergil) but I can't remember where. In Malta there was (is?) >a fa= >sh=3D >> ion >> > > for Greek names, e.g. Sir Themistocles Zammit. >> > > >> > > Back to work! (I'm editing a book on a field of study I didn't >even k= >no=3D >> w >> > > existed -- the constitutional law of revolutions. Cases cited >come fr= >om >> > > Restoration England, the secessionist South, UDI Rhodesia, >Grenada, F= >ij=3D >> i, >> > > Queensland, etc., but so far nothing from ancient Rome, unless >you co= >un=3D >> t a >> > > quotation from De Civ. Dei, IV, 4.) >> > > >> > > Simon Cauchi, Hamilton, New Zealand >> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > >> > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------= >- -- >> > > To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit >reply. >> > > Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message >> > > "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation >marks). Y= >ou >> > > can also unsubscribe at >http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#uns= >ub >> >=3D20 >> >=3D20 >> >=3D20 >> > -- >> > >***********************************************************************= >**=3D >> ** >> > ...There was Delphinus Polyglott. He told us what had become of >the >> > eighty-three lost tragedies of Aeschylus; of the fifty-four >orations of= > I=3D >> saeus; >> > of the three hundred and ninety-one speeches of Lysias; of the >hundred = >an=3D >> d >> > eighty treatises of Theophrastus; of the eighth book of the conic >secti= >on=3D >> s of >> > Apollonius; of Pindar=3DB4s hymns and dithyrambics; and of the >five and= > for=3D >> ty >> > tragedies of Homer Junior. >> > E.A. Poe >> > >***********************************************************************= >**=3D >> ** >> >=3D20 >> >=3D20 >> > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. >> > Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message >> > "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation >marks). You >> > can also unsubscribe at >http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub >> >=3D20 >>=20 >>=20 >> ------------------------------ >>=20 >> From: "=3D?iso-8859-1?q?A.P.H.=3D20Itel?=3D" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 12:19:48 +0100 (BST) >> Subject: Thank you message from API >>=20 >> Many thanks to all of you who replied to my question >> about the other Virgil.I am sorry to be late to do >> that. >>=20 >> Virgilius (Virgile in French) as a name, is nowaday >> quite unusual and meeting people who were given it is >> somehow rare. I think it began to be used as a first >> name in France during the Renaissance period. As for >> latin names,I personally know two Virgile, one >> Terence, three Martial (and even one Agricola !). I >> think the first name Virgile is still quite common in >> the former French colonies of Africa and in French >> territory like Martinique, Guadeloupe and Guyana.=20 >>=20 >> The quotation of the Eglogues I, below my name, is >> indeed a very nice one.=20 >> Recently I made an exhibition of some of my >> calligraphy works here in Tokyo. Most of the works >> were in English, some in Italian, and only two in >> Latin : one was the poem of Quintus Horatius Flaccus, >> =AB TU NE QUAESIERIS=85 =BB (Carminum Liber I, XI), and the >> other the quotation of Eglogues I (79-83).=20 >>=20 >> I choose to write and enluminate this quotation for >> the reason that, may be, it is a good example of what >> is =AB AMOR =BB in Virgil. >> In the Eneid, Anchises is welcoming is son in the >> Elysium by these words =AB VICIT ITER DURUM PIETAS =BB. >> And =AB Pietas =BB seems to be a consequence of Aeneas >> travel down to visit his father. I admire very much >> the roman =AB PIETAS =BB, of course, like, for example, >> the one that felt Aeneas when he met with Dido in the >> Campi Lugentes. But PIETAS seems to me a quite >> difficult word=85 >> There is also the law of Juppiter, in the Georgics, >> poem of the arduous =AB culture =BB of the earth : =AB LABOR >> OMNIA VINCIT =BB. As I am living in Japan, I may have a >> good idea of what means =AB LABOR =BB ! I would not say I >> like this word too much=85 >> And then,there is the =AB OMNIA VINCIT AMOR =BB of the >> Eglogues. Of course, I am not Meliboeus, but I can=92t >> refrain from time to time, living so far from my >> country, to repeat to myself the verses 64, 65, 66 : >> =AB AT NOS HINC ALII SITIENTES IBIMUS AFROS,=20 >> PARS SCYTHIAM ET RAPIDUM CRETAE VENIEMUS OAXEN >> ET PENITUS TOTO DIVISOS ORBE BRITANNOS =BB. >> For the exhibition, I could not possibly have written >> those three one ! The Reply of Tityrus was more >> appropriate. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> N.B. : I have, of course, nothing against Japanese >> people. >>=20 >>=20 >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> Andre-Paul Itel >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Hic tamen hanc mecum potera requiescere noctem >> Fronde super viridi. Super nobis mitia poma, >> Castaneae molles et pressi copia lactis; >> Et jam summa procul villarum culmina fumant, >> Majoresque cadunt altis de montibus umbrae. >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk >> or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie >>=20 >> ------------------------------ >>=20 >> From: M W Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:25:22 +0100 (BST) >> Subject: Casali on Treason >>=20 >> A few comments (too many!) on Casali's highly impressive article on >> Aeneas' treason to which LHS referred us. =20 >>=20 >> The idea that Dido attributes 'facta impia' to Aeneas, not herself, >seems >> to have strong support in Italy - Paratore supports it in his >edition and >> names other scholars on both sides. In Britain, there seems to have >been >> a long-running consensus against this idea. Austin is distinctly >scornful >> about it and so was Pease in an earlier genertion. The self-blaming >woman >> seems (suspiciously!) more congenial to us than the woman who is >> subversive enough to question the male hero's account of his >glorious >> past. >>=20 >> I am not wholly convinced by Casali and would prefer an open >translation >> of IV 596 'Infelix Dido, nunc te facta impia tangunt! Tum decuit, >cum >> sceptra dabas' - 'Does it only now strike you, poor Dido, what evil >has >> been done? You should have thought of that when you were so ready to >shar= >e >> power.' She may be thinking of herself as well as of Aeneas and she >may >> not be thinking only of hostile stories about Aeneas. Perhaps even >his >> own account of himself no longer strikes her as so impressive. >>=20 >> Casali is surely right to say that the Temple scene in Book I is >meant t= >o >> remind us that works of art can be interpreted in different ways. >But I >> would take view of the parallel between 'facta impia tangunt' of IV >596 >> and the more famous 'mentem mortalia tangunt' of I 462 rather >different >> from Casali's. The idea of 'impact on the mind', found in both >scenes, is >> surely not a matter of knowing that certain things have happened but >of >> being properly impressed and moved by their happening. Aeneas in >Book I >> does not so much note that the Tyrians know about Troy but that >their >> reaction is (he thinks) movingly humane. He likes the ideology which >he >> finds. This must be Dido's version of the ideology taught by Juno. >So >> Venus remarks (I, 671) that she thinks with utter dread of the turn >that >> this Juno-style welcome may take. >>=20 >> Juno, I suppose, stands for the Greek system of autonomous cities, >held >> together by common religion and morality. The morality would >include >> faithful marriage and personal restraint. One of the safety-valves >> of the Greek system was the foundation of colonies which would be >outside >> the influence of the parent city Dido and therefore, if its people >are >> tolerant, a sanctuary for all refugees of good character, regardless >of >> racial background. Dido is a colony-founder and is ready to accept >other >> refugees 'without discrimination'(574). This readiness reflects her >> personal generosity of spirit. But there's an element of political >> liberalism as well - Junoism at its best. For her part, Venus has >always >> wished to replace the system of autonomous cities with a system >founded o= >n >> the special status of her favoured city, Troy/Rome. >>=20 >> >From IV 321 one suspects that Dido, like some other liberals, can't >quit= >e >> get the mass of her people to cooperate with her project. The >Tyrians an= >d >> Trojans have not got on well. We know that the Tyrians always had >> 'ferocia corda' towards foreigners (I 302) - Junoism taking a >xenophobic >> form among people who are not so enlightened. >>=20 >> It is interesting to ask why Aeneas does not find, in the Temple of >Juno, >> tableaux which were unambiguously hostile to Troy or to himself - >'the >> Trojans cower behind their walls; Aeneas takes a bribe to hand over >the >> keys'. It seems dramatically likely that the Greeks, thrown into >chaos b= >y >> the death of Agamemnon and unable to organise pursuit of Aeneas, >would >> still spread disinformation. Sinon's memoirs must have spun a >remarkable >> yarn. Perhaps Dido can recognise dodgy propaganda when she sees or >hears >> it. No doubt she has been on the receiving end herself; Pygmalion >would >> have had a lot of explaining to do when she made off with the gold >> reserves from Tyre and would have spread disinformation of his own. >>=20 >> If 'the impact on the mind' in Book I led to ideological sympathy I >> would think that 'the impact on the mind' in Book IV leads to >ideological >> hostility. In Book I Aeneas thinks that events are interpreted with >> compassion, as he would wish; in Book IV Dido comes to interpret >events >> with exactly the hostility which he would wish to avoid. The race >of >> Laomedon, she has already perceived, is pervasively treacherous >(542). >> Why is that? Surely because it is 'Venusian' - it believes that its >> special relationship with the gods gives it a special right to >power, >> beside which all other rights fade away. If you throw it out of one >> place, it will flee to another, not just to found a Greek-style >colony bu= >t >> to renew, from another fortress, its efforts at world power. She is >the >> latest victim of this process, which will just go on and on unless >her >> avenging heir can put a stop to it. >>=20 >> Perhaps she underestimates Aeneas' love for her but she is right to >think >> herself the victim of a conspiracy, organised in fact by Venus, the >> huntress of Book I, who has long marked Dido as her target. This is >a >> very deep ideological and religious enmnity.=20 >>=20 >> Dido, seeing herself in a trap, may well understand that she never >had to >> accept Aeneas' account of 'the facts of Troy': there were other >accounts >> of the same facts, as Casali reminds us. Moreover, Aeneas' account >was a >> poem and poets are famous for not always telling the truth. But I >think >> that Casali would have been truer to his own insight about the >different >> interpretations of works of art had he made Dido reinterpret Aeneas' >poem= >, >> that is see a different meaning in it without challenging its >'facts'. >> Dido now perceives the preservation of Troy and its religious icons >as a >> sinister threat to the whole civilised world.=20 >>=20 >> I certainly don't want to return to the 'British View' of Dido as >> attributing facta impia only to herself. But I don't think we >should lay= >=20 >> to much emphasis on 'the facts of Troy' so much as on 'the meaning >of >> Troy'. I think Dido sees herself as entangled in, contributing to >and >> destroyed by a plot to perpetuate the evil religion of the Trojans. >- >> Martin Hughes >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> ------------------------------ >>=20 >> End of VIRGIL Digest V1 #59 >> *************************** >>=20 >> >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. >> Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message >> "unsubscribe mantovano-digest" in the body (omitting the quotation >> marks). 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