For several years I have worked on Jacob of Maerlant's Middle Dutch adaptation of Virgil's Aeneid. Unfortunately I was never able to finish my work, but I still kept an interest in mediaeval as well as classical literature. One of the problems I was confronted with at the time, was the way in which the Middle Dutch author tried to reconcile the different versions of the Fall of Troy, i.e: did Aeneas betray his city or didn't he? This matter also involved the question if Virgil knew of any traditions regarding the Fall of Troy other than the one he followed. On several occasions Servius strongly suggests that Virgil was aware of the tradition according to which the Fall of Troy was caused not by the ruse with the wooden horse, but by treachery of Aeneas and Antenor (Commentaries on A. 1,242, 1,488, 1,647, 2,15). These are of course misinterpretations by Servius of some lines in the Aeneid, but is there in fact any evidence that this originally Greek tradition was known to Virgil or to any other Roman author of his time?
Heinze (Vergil's Epic Technique) deals with this tradition extensively. T. C. Donatus also alludes to it in the preface to his commentary.
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>In message <[emailprotected]>, Caroline Butler ><[emailprotected]> writes >>When the reinforcements led by Volcens see Nisus and Euryalus, Virgil >>says that >> >>iamque propinquabant castris murosque subibant. >> >>One of my students asked which camp. The very ad hoc arrangements of the >>Rutuli don't seem to encompass muri; but why would they be going right up >>to the walls of the Trojan camp? >> >Muros Troianorum, says Servius; and after all they catch sight of >Euryalus' helmet.
Yes, but aren't Nisus and Euryalus going *through* the Rutuli on their way to Aeneas and Evander? In theory at least? Surely the Rutuli are now in between them and the Trojan camp?
>>I suspect that Virgil isn't really that clear about topography and other >>practicalities in IX (where, for example, are the 'foci' that the Rutuli >>'diripuere' in line 75?); but I told him I would put it to the Mantovani. >> >Quaeritur quid ibi faciant foci. sed in carminibus quaedam, nec ad >subtilitatem nec ad ueritatem exigends sunt: aut certe focos quos ibi >habere potuerunt. Poets can't be called so strictly to account; >alternatively, they could have had hearths there. So Servius; and if >they hadn't. where did they get their _faces_ from? But his first >explanation matches yours, which I am sure is right; or to put it the >other way round, has anyone ever succeeded in producing an Atlas of the >Rutulian War?
Productive post-GCSE task for my Latin set? Maybe not. > >Leofranc Holford-Strevens ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
