> >> The whole certification issue is caused by people without
> >> technical knowledge passing judgement on things they do not know
> >> about. Again, who certifies the certifiers, and at what point does it
> >> stop?
> >>
>
> > Ok, so abolish all the universties, government regulators etc.
>
>
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Ian Lynch wrote:
> On 27 April 2012 18:34, Robert Ryley wrote:
>
>>
>> Just because people do irrational things, does not mean they *should.*
>>
>
> Depends on the purpose. What is irrational to A is perfectly sensible to B.
> Outcome is what matters.
Which is pr
On 27 April 2012 18:34, Robert Ryley wrote:
>
> Just because people do irrational things, does not mean they *should.*
>
Depends on the purpose. What is irrational to A is perfectly sensible to B.
Outcome is what matters.
> The whole certification issue is caused by people without
> technical
Some final responses, and then I'm going to drop the matter.
> Again, it begs the question; if a client does not trust a vendor, why
> should it trust some anonymous "certifying" body?
>>They might if the certification body has a reputation for independence and
>>objectivity. The evidence is in t
Le Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:19:08 -0400,
Robert Ryley a écrit :
> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 4:20 AM, Charles-H.Schulz
> wrote:
> > Hello Robert,
> >
> > The "group" aka the foundation, decided after much discussions with
> > service providers and experts on LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org
> > deployment
On 27 April 2012 13:07, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
>
> I have tried to keep up with this thread, but here is an issue I see with
> certification.
>
> With a certification program, you need to have a training program to teach
> the person the required knowledge for the certification.
>
Tradition
I have tried to keep up with this thread, but here is an issue I see
with certification.
With a certification program, you need to have a training program to
teach the person the required knowledge for the certification.
There can be show that a certification program could benefit users and
On 27 April 2012 10:19, Robert Ryley wrote:
Charles,
>
> First, thank you for answering my question without being defensive.
> These are valid concerns on all sides of the issue.
>
> So this is a problem of vendors not being able to generate trust among
> clients. This isn't unusual. That is th
:)
--- On Fri, 27/4/12, Charles-H.Schulz
wrote:
From: Charles-H.Schulz
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Article on Datamation website: "How
Microsoft Office Tops LibreOffice: 11 Features"
To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 27 April, 2012, 9:20
Hello Robert,
The "
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 4:20 AM, Charles-H.Schulz
wrote:
> Hello Robert,
>
> The "group" aka the foundation, decided after much discussions with
> service providers and experts on LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org
> deployments and migrations to start this certification programme. It
> goes way back
>
> Le jeudi 26 avril 2012 à 21:47 -0400, Robert Ryley a écrit :
> > This has nothing to do with agreement, but with evidence. I did not ask
> > for a change of course. I asked how the group decided it was competent
> to
> > judge others.
> >
> > Second, from people in the bsd community, I have d
Hello Robert,
The "group" aka the foundation, decided after much discussions with
service providers and experts on LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org
deployments and migrations to start this certification programme. It
goes way back to the OpenOffice.org days where most of the potential for
OpenOffice
This has nothing to do with agreement, but with evidence. I did not ask
for a change of course. I asked how the group decided it was competent to
judge others.
Second, from people in the bsd community, I have data that it costs close
to six figures to implement a cbt with the capable vendors.
Y
Robert Ryley wrote:
> So, you have no answers to any of my observations, but feel
> "competent" to declare that "certification"
> will solve the problem?
It looks like you have already decided that we are wrong, as you are
going on with your assumptions. I have already answered, but it looks
like
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote:
> Robert Ryley wrote:
>
>> Can you explain to me how "competence" can be assessed in the absence
>> of a clearly defined specification? Can you also clarify why to you
>> think that the TDF is competent to make that decision, instead of
>> lea
Robert Ryley wrote:
> Can you explain to me how "competence" can be assessed in the absence
> of a clearly defined specification? Can you also clarify why to you
> think that the TDF is competent to make that decision, instead of
> leaving it up to a discussion between potential buyers and vendor
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote:
> Robert Ryley wrote:
>
>> 1. It continues to encourage the commodification of techincal
>> personnel. People just become "certs" as opposed to intelligent,
>> independent individuals with value to bring to an organization. This
>> is a minds
Robert Ryley wrote:
> 1. It continues to encourage the commodification of techincal
> personnel. People just become "certs" as opposed to intelligent,
> independent individuals with value to bring to an organization. This
> is a mindset that *must* be broken for FLOSS to be viable.
I totally di
Drew,
Thanks for the link. While this is a viable route for funding TDF and
LO, it has some drawbacks from a business POV:
1. It continues to encourage the commodification of techincal
personnel. People just become "certs" as opposed to intelligent,
independent individuals with value to bring
On Thu, 2012-04-26 at 12:56 -0400, Robert Ryley wrote:
> Tom,
>
> I'm quite familiar with all of these claims. But they don't address
> the fundamental *business* question of how to support an open source
> *project* more effectively, which is more than just development. Some
> comments to follo
Tom,
I'm quite familiar with all of these claims. But they don't address
the fundamental *business* question of how to support an open source
*project* more effectively, which is more than just development. Some
comments to follow:
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
>
n having that money
disappear off to a foreign country.
Regards from
Tom :)
--- On Thu, 26/4/12, Robert Ryley wrote:
From: Robert Ryley
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Article on Datamation website: "How
Microsoft Office Tops LibreOffice: 11 Features"
To: marketing@global.
I could not find the "Writer tops MS" article in Bruce's article list.
Could it have been take down in favor of the newest LO vs MSO article?
On 04/26/2012 09:47 AM, Italo Vignoli wrote:
Actually, Bruce published this article following a previous one where he
was explaining why LibreOffice W
Tom Davies wrote:
> They probably would have been quite happy with a pro-MS article and
> wouldn't have asked for one to balance against it. This leads to a
> strong bias in such papers.
Of course, but at the moment they are keeping alive publications like
Datamation with their money. Media are
Interesting article. With regard to the bibliography tool -- what is
he talking about? The professional writers I deal with all use
something like Endnotes. The bibliography issue isn't all that hard
to fix.
All of those things mentioned are arguably outside the scope of office
productivity sof
#x27;t fix such issues too fast.".
Regards from
Tom :)
--- On Thu, 26/4/12, Italo Vignoli wrote:
From: Italo Vignoli
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Article on Datamation website: "How
Microsoft Office Tops LibreOffice: 11 Features"
To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org
Date
Actually, Bruce published this article following a previous one where he
was explaining why LibreOffice Writer tops MS Office Word:
http://www.datamation.com/applications/how-libreoffice-writer-tops-ms-word-12-features-1.html
I do not think that we should comment, as Bruce has always been on our
This article can be found on the Datamation site[1]. Perhaps someone on
the dev list could take a look at it. I'll leave the link on the dev site.
It would be nice if someone from the Marketing team would respond as the
author of the article still comes to the conclusion that LibreOffice is
st
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