Re: [Marketing] [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > So what do you see that we are missing to be able to do that? I'll assume you're referring to "burning" the usb disk. I agree with you -- it's hard to point at any single thing that would make it significantly easier ("no silver bullet"), a

Re: [Marketing] [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-25 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Martin Langhoff > wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Walter Bender >> wrote: >>> the real intention is >>> "this is where you start" >> >> But... what's the target user for a "this is where you

Re: [Marketing] [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-24 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 19:29, Caryl Bigenho wrote: > Martin is sooo right!  A great focus would be in making SoaS very non-techie > friendly so that average classroom teachers and parents can use it and share > it with children. > > The number of tech-savvy teachers is pathetically small. The CUE

Re: [Marketing] [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Walter Bender > wrote: >> the real intention is >> "this is where you start" > > But... what's the target user for a "this is where you start"? Someone > who can make their own spin... there's only very f

Re: [Marketing] [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Walter Bender wrote: > the real intention is > "this is where you start" But... what's the target user for a "this is where you start"? Someone who can make their own spin... there's only very few of those target users, and they can help themselves (IOWs if there

Re: [Marketing] [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
Below I agree with Tomeu, and would like to extend some points further... liberally snipped... On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 5:35 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > What the SoaS team could have said instead of "we'll ship half a dozen > activities", is "we have agreed on a criteria for activities that are > to

Re: [Marketing] [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-23 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:37 AM, John Tierney wrote: > Hello All, > > In wanting to have Teachers and Developers try Sugar are best bet may be to > attack > this with a two-fold approach. The idea would be to give the prospective > Teacher/Deployer > Two SoaS-A stable version-say Strawberry explai

Re: [Marketing] [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-22 Thread John Tierney
chua.com; > marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org; walter.ben...@gmail.com; > i...@lists.sugarlabs.org; s...@sugarlabs.org > Subject: Re: [Marketing] [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos > in other lists > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 15:24, Peter Robinson wrote: > > On Mon

Re: [Marketing] [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-22 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 15:24, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 15:11, Peter Robinson wrote: > "This is where you start" is definitely the message that should be > pushed. Also a "Install and update Activities" contro

Re: [Marketing] [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-22 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 15:11, Peter Robinson wrote: "This is where you start" is definitely the message that should be pushed. Also a "Install and update Activities" control panel which uses PackageKit would make it much easie

Re: [Marketing] [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-22 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 15:11, Peter Robinson wrote: >>> "This is where you start" is definitely the message that should be >>> pushed. Also a "Install and update Activities" control panel which >>> uses PackageKit would make it much easier to automatically find and >>> install Activities as well

Re: [Marketing] [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-22 Thread Peter Robinson
>> "This is where you start" is definitely the message that should be >> pushed. Also a "Install and update Activities" control panel which >> uses PackageKit would make it much easier to automatically find and >> install Activities as well as update them at a later stage. > > There is a lot of dis

Re: [Marketing] [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-22 Thread Walter Bender
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: >>> I would like to add to this that the activity developer is at least >>> CCed on bugs in Fedora so they can more actively see the issues with >>> their activity and react to the bugs. >> >> Where my activity developer hat, this would be ver

Re: [Marketing] [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-22 Thread Peter Robinson
>> I would like to add to this that the activity developer is at least >> CCed on bugs in Fedora so they can more actively see the issues with >> their activity and react to the bugs. > > Where my activity developer hat, this would be very useful. I suspect > that at least some of the non-responsiv

Re: [Marketing] [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-22 Thread Walter Bender
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 18:10, Peter Robinson wrote: >>> On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Martin Langhoff >>> wrote: On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Peter Robinson wrot

Re: [Marketing] [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-22 Thread Rita Freudenberg
What's the reason that Etoys isn't part of the bundle anymore? Are there any technical problems? We do not expect the Sugar developers to fix them. I do like Tomeus suggestions below very much. Rita Von meinem iPhone gesendet Am 22.03.2010 um 10:35 schrieb Tomeu Vizoso : > On Sat, Mar 20, 2

Re: [Marketing] [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-22 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 18:10, Peter Robinson wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Martin Langhoff >> wrote: >>> On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Peter Robinson >>> wrote: On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Sean DALY wrote: >>>

Re: [Marketing] [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-22 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 18:10, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Martin Langhoff > wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Peter Robinson >> wrote: >>> On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Sean DALY wrote: The problem with this approach is that it renders SoaS inef

Re: [Marketing] [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-21 Thread Sean DALY
I'm sorry Caryl, I'm the moderator of the marketing list, but I haven't been able to access the admin page for a few weeks due to a technical problem so I can't pass messages through. I've communicated with Bernie (systems list) about this issue. Sean On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Caryl Bige

Re: [Marketing] [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-20 Thread Luke Faraone
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 13:40, Caryl Bigenho wrote: OK. Let's focus a bit here.  In the spirit of IAEP, I wonder who this version of SoaS will be for... educators and students or developers?  It seems like the discussion is favoring the latter.  That would be a big disappointment to those of

Re: [Marketing] [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-20 Thread Peter Robinson
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 5:21 PM, David Farning wrote: > On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Martin Langhoff > wrote: >> >> On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Peter Robinson >> wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Sean DALY wrote: The problem with this approach is that it rend

Re: [Marketing] [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-20 Thread Peter Robinson
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Sean DALY wrote: >>> The problem with this approach is that it renders SoaS ineffective for >>> new tryers of Sugar (i.e. the overwhelming majori

Re: [Marketing] [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Sean DALY wrote: >> The problem with this approach is that it renders SoaS ineffective for >> new tryers of Sugar (i.e. the overwhelming majority of teachers and >> parents we are trying to reach). > > I d

Re: [Marketing] [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-20 Thread Peter Robinson
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Sean DALY wrote: > The problem with this approach is that it renders SoaS ineffective for > new tryers of Sugar (i.e. the overwhelming majority of teachers and > parents we are trying to reach). I don't think it will be any less ineffective than having 20 activit

Re: [Marketing] [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-20 Thread Sean DALY
The problem with this approach is that it renders SoaS ineffective for new tryers of Sugar (i.e. the overwhelming majority of teachers and parents we are trying to reach). As SoaS is the pillar of our marketing strategy, this means cancelling the planned SoaS media campaign in May. No big deal, si