Sorry about top posting, but I agree with most of what you said below, and I'm not yet particularly worried about the content of the site itself for now.
I really think that your initiative has big future and understand that it's still in an early stage. I also think that something like that could help SLs greatly. But what I was referring to is that there's a community of people working on a project called "sugar on a stick" and one individual has launched a site with that same name talking about a derivative of it. Whatever is done with the name "sugar on a stick" will be attributed to the project with that name, and I don't think it's fair to that community that one individual unilaterally starts a different initiative with the same name. I'm not talking about trademarks here, just voicing a concern that about how the name of the project is being used without involving the community. "sugar on a stick" has been used to name what a community of people had been doing, but now it also refers to a private initiative, isn't this confusing? I think that, going forward, one of these would be good to happen: - http://sugaronastick.com/ points to a community controlled site (a section of the SLs wiki?) - the community agrees with you using http://sugaronastick.com/ for a specific purpose or even for whatever you want - "sugar on a stick" becomes the name for your personal initiative and the community project gets a new name. These are the only ways I see to avoid confusion, but may be others, please suggest. Regards, Tomeu On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 16:05, Caroline Meeks <carol...@solutiongrove.com> wrote: > Hi, > I don't consider sugaronastick.com launched yet. We don't have the ability > to take money and there is very little text on the site. The url > sugaronastick.com has pointed to a site for probably 6 months. We have > reskinned it and moved to WordPress. The people who's artwork is on the > site did get advanced notice before I switched the url. (Sean, Mike Lee). > In addition Sebastian and Walter both knew about it before it sugar-devel > did because I talk to them about future plans regularly. Also at least Anne > Gentle saw it, as we did a blog post that was syndicated on Planet and she > commented. > I have been focusing on getting the backup working because we really need > that for GPA and this is the same code and I have not been focusing on the > text for the site or "launching". I'm sorry. The text is bad, incomplete and > does not reflect my full intent. I didn't think about. I just thought about > wanting help testing the backup and the GPA spin and in my head had doing > the text for a few weeks from now. I would like the communities input on how > to link back to Sugar Labs and give Sugar Labs credit. > First some words about intent. > I of course dream of millions of parents buying backup service for their > children's > sugar Sticks, but I don't actually think its going to be a money maker. Could be. Everyone > keep your fingers crossed! I'm doing it for a few reasons. > 1. We need to do all the technical work anyway to support SoaS in schools. > 2. I need to find a way to make a living and this is worth a try. > 3. We need to make it easier and friendlier for parents to try Sugar. We can't scale backup and collaboration for free. > So I think offering this as a service is important to Sugar on a Stick's > growth. > 4. My theory is that parents will first want to try it with their kids then they will volunteer to bring it to their school. I want to make it easier for more people to start down that path. > 5. Might work as a profitable business. Could happen. :) > 6. It may attract the attention of funders who are looking to fund "Social > Entrepreneurship". These people need to see a business model as well as > social good. > So I do very much intentionally want this to tie people back to Sugar Labs and the educational mission and to bringing Sugar into schools. I think the current text on the site > does not reflect that. I'm sorry, its cause I haven't actually, in my mind, > written anything, what I have up in brain storming. I certainly get how it > doesn't look that way and I'm sorry. > I do want the site to have a comfortable commercial feel. I want it to be > different from the official sugarlabs site in feel. I want parents to feel > they are getting something their kids can have fun with and learn. This > site will be completely parent focused. I have also bought Sugar4Schools.com > to offer services to schools. > I do want to link back to Sugar Labs, which I haven't yet, and I'm sorry. I > just got focused on making backup work and hadn't thought about the text > yet. > I do want to give a portion of the profits to Sugar Labs should profits > actually exist. I also want to reinvest profits in promoting Sugar in > general. > I do want all of my marketing to raise awareness of Sugar, to increase the > odds that someone volunteers for Sugar Labs and to increase the odds that > they will work to put Sugar into their school. This is the PRIMARY goal for > me. SugaronaStick.com is a way to do that sustainably and to do it with a > different, less stuffy and academic voice, that I hope will reach a > different audience then the official SugarLabs site. I want Sugar in > schools. > Note I am not charging for Sugar, I am going to charge for web based XS > services. My hope is that you could download the official Sugar and change > the network setting and use our services. But I don't want to make parents > do that, I want it to be easy. Also that won't happen until at least > Blueberry because the code to connect to the server is new. > So clearly the site needs to link back and give credit to Sugar Labs more > and better. I'd like the community's advice on how to do that. > Thanks! > Caroline > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Tomeu Vizoso <to...@sugarlabs.org> > Date: Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:04 AM > Subject: sugaronastick.com (was Re: [Sugar-devel] Beta Test of Sugar on a > Stick Backup Service.) > To: Caroline Meeks <carol...@solutiongrove.com> > Cc: Sugar Devel <sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org> > > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 20:04, Caroline Meeks > <carol...@solutiongrove.com> wrote: >> I'd like to announce to just the sugar development list at this point. >> We are ready for the first tests of backup and restore on a Sugar Stick. >> We >> will be using this code for both Sugaronastick.com and the GPA but each >> will >> point to a different XS server so we can have GPA XS be school people >> only. > > So you are going to distribute a derivative of a SoaS release from a > site named sugaronastick.com ? As someone involved in SoaS I'm > concerned that this will get really messy quickly. I have asked other > people involved in SoaS and they also didn't knew about it before it > was live and announced. > > To avoid misunderstandings, I think that what you are doing is great, > I hope your business goes awesomely and I will help as I can from > upstream. > > I just don't understand why you are using the name of your upstream to > market your derivative before discussing it with the community. > > Regards, > > Tomeu > >> To test click "Get Sugar" at www.sugaronastick.com >> We have named this Spin "Strawberry Tree" as its done by Solution Grove >> based on the Strawberry Release. If your curious there is such a thing as >> a >> Strawberry Tree - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry_Tree >> Beta Testers who are also on the Sugar Devel list will get free services >> from sugaronastick.com for the life of the service and 5 coupon codes for >> a >> year of free service to give to your friends once we start charging and >> have >> implemented coupon process. >> We are restricting the beta to Sugar Devel people for now because the >> instructions are probably still too rough and this is our first tests. >> Please email your feedback! >> Thank you! >> >> >> -- >> Caroline Meeks >> Solution Grove >> carol...@solutiongrove.com >> >> 617-500-3488 - Office >> 505-213-3268 - Fax >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> >> > > > > -- > «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. > What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David > Farning > > > > -- > Caroline Meeks > Solution Grove > carol...@solutiongrove.com > > 617-500-3488 - Office > 505-213-3268 - Fax > -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. 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